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  • #41
    Originally posted by jgm1975
    The question is not whether disagreements are normal among a nation. They certainly are. Disagreements provide an intellectual diversity that can be a source of great cultural wealth. The question is when do disagreements become epidemic, factional and divisive to the point where they become counter-productive? Also, when we say "all nations have disagreements anyway", there are two points to remember:

    1) Not all nations are alike. For example, the Chinese and Indians, with 1 billion people each, can afford to have a lot divisions. At 7.5 million people scattered around the world, with only a minority of that figure living in the Armenian homeland, we have to be careful about being too divided. There is a difference between splitting a watermelon and a cherry in 100 different pieces. The cherry will end up disintegrating, whereas you will still recognize the individual pieces of the watermelon.

    2) Is Armenia really like any other nation? To say "well all nations have disagreements" implies that we see ourselves as just another nation. I think Armenians should aspire to a higher ideal and should not just be like any other nation. We can do better than other nations.

    Finally, as B. Dants implied, I agree that we should not exaggerate and give the impression that we are a bunch of retards going nowhere and doomed to fail. Nevertheless let's not lose focus of this dilemma that we have to address as a nation. We need greater unity, which I am sure everyone agrees with. We should aim for the middle ground and reject the extremes, namely the belief that everything is wrong and we are doomed and the belief that there is nothing wrong.

    I definitely agree with this. A very lucid post, might I add. Indeed, factionalism exists in all peoples, however, that is not what we meant, and thank you for pointing it out. It is when factionalism becomes the rule and not the exception and hinders on the cultural development of that people. Obviously, Armenians have never really had any sort of unity, and infighting has always existed, but as we said, every nation has this, and only when it moves to become the rule and not the exception, should we panic.

    However, to point out something else which your first point got me thinking about, it is imperative that Armenians take heed of the fact that no nations are alike. Only then will Armenians understand, just like non-Armenians, the things that are at stake in this century. No two nations or cultures are alike, ever. Every culture and every nation, just like every race and individual that produced it throughout the ant hills of time, has differed, because cultures are organic and contain a soul, and are merely reflections and expressions of peoples that create them. This knowledge is simple, but profound, and is therefore shut off from the inward appreciation of all but a few. It is a modern pastime of academia to exclude this information from individuals, and teach nothing more that history is a morally unambiguous conflict between "good" and "evil", and "everyone is the same".

    In this argument flow all the consequences of the necessary historical outlook of the coming times and the current paradigm of the 21st century, the dissolution of Western culture. Since a culture is organic, it has an individuality, and a soul. Thus it cannot be influenced in its depths from any outside force. It has a destiny, like all organisms. It has a period of birth, has a growth, a maturity, fulfillment, a death. Because it has a soul, all of its manifestations will be marked by the same spiritual stamp, just as each man's life is the creation of his own individuality.

    Because a culture has a soul, this particular culture can never again exist after it has passed through the temporal zone. Like the nations it creates to express phases of its own life, it exists only once. There will never be another Cherokee culture, another Aztect culture, or Mayan culture, no Classical culture, or Western culture, or Armenian culture, any more than there will be a second Roman nation, French nation, English nation, or Japanese nation. Since a culture is organic, it has a life-span, just like man. Cheers.
    Achkerov kute.

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    • #42
      jgm:
      I don't think our lack of unity is at all related to the loose claim that we argue too much. Your cherry/watermelon analogy was ok though I think the problem is not the cutting but the nature of the pieces. In essence, the problem is not the disagreements; it is the feeling that the disagreement means you are not from the same cherry. Armenians from different parts of the world alienate eachother because they feel they are not the same Armenians. We need a social revolution that would reinstill a feeling of homogenous culture. Going on a forum and calling eachother names has nothing to do with it. Is Armenia like any other nation? Well, you say no but it is like any other nation in that it is, in fact, a nation.

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      • #43
        Cultures don't need to die, they just change and evolve.
        "All I know is I'm not a Marxist." -Karl Marx

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        • #44
          Originally posted by HyeJinx1984
          Cultures don't need to die, they just change and evolve.
          Right, they don't need to die, but they do.
          Achkerov kute.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by Anonymouse
            Right, they don't need to die, but they do.
            That's why we must prevent it.
            "All I know is I'm not a Marxist." -Karl Marx

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            • #46
              Indeed .
              Achkerov kute.

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              • #47
                yup. .......................................
                "All I know is I'm not a Marxist." -Karl Marx

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                • #48
                  ok this post i guess died... but since i am new and i saw this title and i couldn't pass it up... so here is something from my perspective:

                  Armenian history shows, in a short and sweet way, that our culture is argumentative... people search for power and will always search for power... we are not 7.5 million we are less then 4.5 million... in armenia today there are 2 million people and i estimate that there are another 2 mill scattered all over the place...

                  the cherry analogy is quite intuitive... i really liked it... if we divide as much as they do we will have over 300 political parties and not have control over any real issue, and our governemnt will debate until the cows come home and not reach a solid stand on anything... WAIT A MINUTE we already do... so you see the cherry and watermelon are really good representations of this... we should not be this way, but we are... hence our problems...

                  the reaosn why we dont have our land is because we are a divisible people... i dont care though... i love our people...

                  this nature of our culture has always been there and will always be there, but change starts with each generation... we are one of them, so we must change the atittude now starting from us... i dont hate or dislike any type of armenian... we are distinct, unique, and different i know that we cant change that, and i dont want to change that...

                  all i want is to have the people not be rude to each other, and for armenians not to be jealous of each other... when i see a successful armenian i happy for them, i dont think, hey how did he/she get there... they lied, they cheated i have to do somehing to bring them down... NOPE never i would never think that... but thats the thought process that hurts us the most...

                  thank you for your time...

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by nunechka
                    ok this post i guess died... but since i am new and i saw this title and i couldn't pass it up... so here is something from my perspective:

                    Armenian history shows, in a short and sweet way, that our culture is argumentative... people search for power and will always search for power... we are not 7.5 million we are less then 4.5 million... in armenia today there are 2 million people and i estimate that there are another 2 mill scattered all over the place...

                    the cherry analogy is quite intuitive... i really liked it... if we divide as much as they do we will have over 300 political parties and not have control over any real issue, and our governemnt will debate until the cows come home and not reach a solid stand on anything... WAIT A MINUTE we already do... so you see the cherry and watermelon are really good representations of this... we should not be this way, but we are... hence our problems...

                    the reaosn why we dont have our land is because we are a divisible people... i dont care though... i love our people...

                    this nature of our culture has always been there and will always be there, but change starts with each generation... we are one of them, so we must change the atittude now starting from us... i dont hate or dislike any type of armenian... we are distinct, unique, and different i know that we cant change that, and i dont want to change that...

                    all i want is to have the people not be rude to each other, and for armenians not to be jealous of each other... when i see a successful armenian i happy for them, i dont think, hey how did he/she get there... they lied, they cheated i have to do somehing to bring them down... NOPE never i would never think that... but thats the thought process that hurts us the most...

                    thank you for your time...
                    I am very jealous of you for making that post before I did.
                    Achkerov kute.

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                    • #50
                      but anony did you like my post??? and what exactly did you like???

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