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  • #31
    Private is higher. Public is lower. This is the same with all things "public". Even the elitist secret societies and fraternal orders recruit out of private schools such as Yale, and indeed some of the worldclass schools are Harvard, Yale, etc.
    Achkerov kute.

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    • #32
      OMG what is this thread turning into...

      the comparison to make here is this: 11 yr old child in 1890s going to school to an 11 yr old child in 2004 going to school...

      they both must be attending school, they both must be 11 yr olds the only difference is the TIME, and the argument is that through out time the type of education in school for these children has declined; it is proven by comparing the tests taken by each individual... (hence the expectation of people of that age in those years was a lot more then it is now)...

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      • #33
        Face it, some people just don't wanna admit that public schools are just crap, and after you know some things about my high school, you'll know.
        Achkerov kute.

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        • #34
          The Common School Movement and Compulsory Education

          By Barry Dean Simpson


          In 1837, Horace Mann became the first secretary of the State Board of Education for Massachusetts. According to most accounts, this event marks the beginning of the common school era.[1] Mann led the fight to institute common schools, and his influence extended from New England to America as a whole.

          There were several reasons reformers such as Mann wished to inculcate American youth in tuition-free public schools. One reason was to create a unique American culture and character that could be used to mold the large number of recent immigrants to our country in the reformer’s image. This would include instructing the young in the blessings of democracy.

          Even Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin agreed that (mostly Catholic) immigrants from monarchal countries would likely bring their political ideas across the seas with them.

          Other well-publicized reasons for reform were the ideas that private schools were elitist, and did not serve the bulk of America’s youth.[2] If education could be provided at no cost (that is, other than through taxation) to the American people, then more children would attend school. Poor children could then receive an education, raise their station in life, and a “real” democracy where social differences were a thing of the past would ensue.

          Anyone familiar with free-market economics would argue that private schools meet the needs of their customers better than public schools. So what happened to make education different from any other good produced in the market? In short, what happened was that the story told by the reformers was not true.

          In a previous Mises Daily article, I outlined how literacy was increasing and curricula were diversifying due to the effect of private schools in America.[3] Contrary to the cries of the educational reformers of the common school movement, attendance in schools was increasing as well.

          Albert Fishlow’s study of the period 1790 to 1840 provides some valuable insights into school attendance. Schools in the South, criticized repeatedly by the reformers, had higher enrollment rates in 1830 than in 1840. Fishlow finds that many rural states that were called backward by the reformers (Indiana and Illinois for example) had higher attendance rates in 1830 than states with public school systems in place in 1840 (Ohio for example). Fishlow concludes that there is “no evidence of a radically weakened educational resolve over this period 1800-1830, except in relation to a substitution of private for public effort.”[4]

          Not long after the common school movement began, a new movement appeared. This new movement called for compulsory attendance. Massachusetts passed a compulsory education law in 1852, although the Plymouth and Massachusetts Bay settlements had compulsory laws in the seventeenth century.[5] The New England colonies were the first to pass such laws and then the movement spread westward and south. By the time Mississippi adopted it in 1918, every state in the Nation had ratified compulsion.

          As was the case with public education, the reformers gave numerous reasons in support of compulsory education. Immigration, education as a prerequisite for democracy, and the supposed evil of private schools were still offered. Now, the argument of misfit parents was added to the list of reasons. But even if one believes that forcing kids into public schools will cure society’s ills, it must do so by increasing attendance rates. The common school movement only substituted public attendance for private attendance. Did compulsory attendance laws increase attendance in schools?

          The answer seems to be no. Folger and Nam studied school attendance in the late nineteenth century. They found that between 1850 and 1890, three-fourths of enrollment growth was due to population increases, while only one-fourth could be attributed to actual increases in enrollment. Their findings indicate that compulsion is a very weak factor in increasing attendance.[6] As far as the twentieth century is concerned, Folger and Nam agree with the findings of the Chicago economist George Stigler. Stigler finds no significant correlation between compulsion and enrollment. He does note, however, that between 1900 and 1949, teacher salaries rose 709% while per-capita income rose by only 513%.[7]

          If public schools and compulsory attendance laws did not lead to increases in attendance, then why advocate either one? Or maybe a better way of phrasing the question is to ask how a system of public and compulsory education would benefit the educators and politicians who advocated such a system.

          One benefit of compulsion to teachers was hinted at above—to increase their salaries. An increase in demand leads to an increase in price, ceteris paribus. So an increase in the demand for education, whether natural or coerced, raises the price of an education. These new students have to be educated by someone. And since the education system is being funded by tax dollars rather than by the demanders themselves, it becomes much easier to increase salaries (regardless of competence).

          So by making the school system public rather than private, teachers and administrators also insulate themselves from the wishes of students and parents—the ultimate consumers of education. This insulation from market forces solidifies the power of the elite group of educationists for years to come. The suppliers, not the demanders, choose the curricula, the textbooks, decide the certification process for teachers, etc. They run the whole show, and only have bureaucrats to please rather than consumers. Not only are bureaucrats easier to please since they don’t spend their own money, but if the politician/bureaucrat needs information to placate angry demanders, to whom do they turn? The educationists, in the positions of power, have all of the “relevant” information.

          And what of the bureaucrat—what does he get out of this system? Public education, with the added feature of compulsion, reduces the cost to politicians of making wealth transfers. The cost of making transfers is diminished by reducing the opposition to transfers. If politicians can reduce the cost of transferring wealth by reducing the opposition to them, then they can continue to authorize transfers to interested parties for a price.

          Public education reduces opposition to wealth transfers by teaching students that redistribution, public works, and democracy are the American way. War and crisis increases the size of government. Public education tells us we need government all the time. Public education introduces the mantras of democracy to the young. Democracy keeps the two major parties in power, keeps their spoils flowing in, and tells us that intervention is okay because the majority voted for it.

          The conclusion is that public schools and compulsory attendance laws benefit educators, administrators, and politicians more than citizens or their children. But one could draw deeper conclusions. Through the Mises Institute and other free market organizations, one can find books on the evils of all kinds of intervention and democracy, and how once instituted these evils begin to destroy us as individuals, then our families, and even society itself.

          Public education is the glue that holds all of these ideas together. It is how these ideas are spread to society at large. Thus, one might argue that public education is the greatest evil of all, and that it must be struck down in one mighty blow before we begin to find ourselves as persons, families, and a people again.

          Barry Simpson is an Assistant Professor of Economics at the University of South Alabama. [email protected]. Post Comments on the blog. See also Rothbard's Education: Free and Compulsory.

          [1]See, for example, Merle Curti, The Social Ideas of American Educators (Scribner 1935), chapter 3. Any book on Mann, or with a chapter on Mann tells the same story—Mann is the “father” of the common school.

          [2] There were, of course, other reasons given by the reformers. Economic growth was a common perceived result of common schools. Although I doubt that any positive economic result the reformers guaranteed actually obtained, these other reasons are not germane to this article.

          [3] See “’Free’ Education and Literacy,” January 28, 2004.

          [4]Albert Fishlow, “The Common School Revival: Fact or Fancy?” In Industrialization in Two Systems (Essays in honor of Alexander Gerschenkron), Henry Rosovsky, ed. (John Wiley & Sons, 1966), p. 47.

          [5]The Puritans were staunch Calvinists, and both Calvin and Luther advocated compulsory education. Postmillennialism was another factor influencing the Puritans, and New Englanders and Progressives in general. See Murray N. Rothbard, “Origins of the Welfare State in America,” The Journal of Libertarian Studies 12, no. 2 (Fall 1996), pp. 193-232, and Gary North, “Millennialism and the Progressive Movement,” The Journal of Libertarian Studies 12, no. 1, pp. 121-142.

          [6]John K. Folger and Charles B. Nam, Education of the American Population (Washington: U.S. Dept. of Commerce, 1967).

          [7]George Stigler, Employment and Compensation in Education, (NBER, 1950), Appendix B. Two other Chicago economists confirm Stigler’s findings on attendance. See William M. Landes and Lewis C. Solmon, “Compulsory Schooling and Legislation: An Economic Analysis of Law and Social Change in the Nineteenth Century,” Journal of Economic History 32, no. 1 (March 1972).

          With the help of our extraordinary supporters, the Mises Institute is the world's leading supporter of the ideas of liberty and the Austrian School of
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          • #35
            anony why didnt you just give us the summary version of this???

            anywho, i was listening to pacifica radio yesterday and there was this education hour, and teachers kept calling in and complain... but what was really interesting was that all the high school history teachers complained of similar things, "history/government is already politicized, it is white washed, and they are telling us to not tell the truth to the students"

            i was one of the students in class in high school that would argue with the teacher... i was like CAN WE SHUT UP about the JEWS please... what about the genocide that happened here in the US!?! and i was given a good talking to... anywho i got a B in the class cause i am anoying and i dont agree with my politically correct books...

            so, i think teachers see the aims of the invisible hand, but they are afraid to say anything since they will be fired, or something else... recently parents have complained to school boards about political conversations in the class rooms... i say tell the truth... dont f*cking tell me that the indians died of disease... how did they get the disease??? whatever, this is a never ending battle...

            apperantly there are people like anony and me who can go to school get the mediocre education and still come out relatively smart and critical of society, government, etc... and then there are those who will be sitting next to you in class who will never question what they are taught...

            those people will grow up ignorant and dumb, and then they will vote along with you, and RUIN everything for other people...

            you know i just thought of this, but it may have something to do with culture??? i dont know... ???

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            • #36
              WELCOME TO "let's write a novel thread"
              where you can write novels... ONLINE!!!
              Cliff's Notes, anyone? seems interesting- but realistically, whose gonna sit and read all that?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Anonymouse
                Face it, some people just don't wanna admit that public schools are just crap, and after you know some things about my high school, you'll know.
                No one is forcing anyone to go to public schools. So I don't see what the problem is. Anyone is more than welcome to go to a private school for a superior education. Of course there is the small matter of cost.

                You get what you pay for ...

                ... well most of the time. We won't talk about $C here.


                PS: By the way, I bet those 11 year olds that took those tests wouldn't have much trouble reading the long posts.
                this post = teh win.

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