Hello from Italy...

[bell-the-cat]

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Ne vous contentez pas blâmer le traducteur automatique, blâmer l'auteur du texte à traduire. Un texte soigneusement écrit devrait se traduire par une précision suffisante pour être comprise. Ce texte doit être concis, de faire le point, pas trop verbeuse ou prétentieux, avec des phrases courtes (décomposés en plus petites sections par des virgules si nécessaire), en utilisant des mots qui ne veut pas dire plusieurs choses ou ont une signification obscure, et sans orthographe ou des erreurs de grammaire

And back into English again.:
"Do not just blame the automatic translator, blame the author of the text to translate. A carefully written text should result in sufficient detail to be included. This text should be concise, to the point, not too wordy or pretentious, with short sentences (split into smaller sections by commas if necessary), using words that do not mean several things have meaning or obscure And without spelling or grammatical."

Still reasonably legible.

Though Google's French - English translator seems to be the most developed one of them all, and often has multiple translation choices if the first meaning doesn't seem correct (this might be a new feature, I hadn't noticed it before). The Armenian one is still in the alpha phase of development.

[Odar]

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thanx bell, I didn't notice that *oops*

[Tali]

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The problem with trying to use online translators is that the computer doesn't really have a working knowledge of any given language (I find errors in Spanish translators frequently). Your best bet is to work out various words on your own and do the work. Then I suggest posting it here so we can help piece the story back together.

Good luck!

[Odar]

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Some translations are really hilarious indeed, but if I have to seriously read a page they don't help much. I guess I'll have to buy a dictionary someday...

Thanx

[retro]

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Hey Odar

I am Ducth-Irish and live in London. I was in Palermo Sicily back in December for two weeks on holiday. I very much like Italy and Italian culture and history. Even if Italians are sulky and take themselves too seriously.

Phoenician Sarcophagi - Sarcóxxxo fenicio de Palermo

[Odar]

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Hi retro

"We" take ourselves too seriously because no one else does... especially nowadays j/k

Have you ever been in Noto? If you're interested in architecture and stuff, I'd suggest you to visit it before negligence and time bring it down...

[retro]

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Hi retro

"We" take ourselves too seriously because no one else does... especially nowadays j/k

Have you ever been in Noto? If you're interested in architecture and stuff, I'd suggest you to visit it before negligence and time bring it down...

Italians are on the whole very civilised people. However they tend to be moody and always have such grumpy little faces?

Sadly I haven't been to the south of Sicily before, just the north. I like Sicily though and think that it's a ideal place to go on a charted yacht cruise, or sea fishing type hoilday.

Italy really needs to do far more to tackle corruption, improve accountability and attract investment. It's a pity that Sicily is falling apart, as it's such a intresting place and it has loads of lovely Cathedrals.



Cathedral of Monreale in Sicily


Are you aware of the Etruscan's Anatolian origins?

The study has also shown that there is a link between Etruscans and certain populations of Anatolia. In particular, the areas of historical Etruscan occupation have a relatively high concentration of y-haplogroup G.

According to the research conducted by genetic scientists in Italy's Pavia University, the roots of Etruscans were in the ancient Lydian region in Anatolia. The scientists have reached the conclusion by examining 322 Mitochondrial DNA Variations derived from the three districts in Italy's Toscana region where the Etruscans once lived as well as comparing their sequence variation with that of 55 western Eurasian populations.

The results also support the information about Etruscans given by famed Greek historian Herodotus, known as the father of history. According to Herodotus the Etruscans immigrated to Italy from the Lydian region, Turkey's modern provinces of İzmir and Manisa.

The origin of the Etruscan people has been a focus of major controversy for the past 2,500 years and several hypotheses have been proposed to explain their language and sophisticated culture as well as their origin. The research is thus considered to be an important development supporting the Etruscan people's Aegean/Anatolian origin or the direct genetic input from the Near East, a scenario in agreement with the Lydian origin of Etruscans.

The results were published in the “American Journal of Human Genetics."

http://ancient-anatolia.blogspot.com...-italians.html

[Odar]

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We call ourselves a nation of grouches indeed

That's why all immigrants want to go to Sicily

With 3 indigenous mafias plus some immigrant criminal organizations, an inept political class, and industrialists who seem to be more interested in cutting wages and welfare contribution than in long-run plans, it's gonna be pretty hard...

Yup. Ancient Sardinians are believed to have the same origin, too. Actually, my family on my paternal grandfather's side comes from northern Lazio, ie southern Etruria, so I might as well have some Etruscan blood

[retro]

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We call ourselves a nation of grouches indeed

That's why all immigrants want to go to Sicily

With 3 indigenous mafias plus some immigrant criminal organizations, an inept political class, and industrialists who seem to be more interested in cutting wages and welfare contribution than in long-run plans, it's gonna be pretty hard...

Yup. Ancient Sardinians are believed to have the same origin, too. Actually, my family on my paternal grandfather's side comes from northern Lazio, ie southern Etruria, so I might as well have some Etruscan blood

Phoenicians, Arabs, Normans and god knows who else made such a mess of the Sardinians, Sicilians and Maltese. That it's hard to know quite what they are.

I have been though the north of Italy by car and it's really nice there early in the summer. The landscape in the north of Italy is like something out of a fairy tale, with market gardens and castles on top of mountains.

The mafia and corruption have long undermined the south of Italy and as is the case else where wealthy Italians do far to little to help their own people. What is more as is the case in Spain their are a few clowns, who seemingly think that it's a good idea to Balkanise Italy.

The Etruscans where very different from the Romans culturally. Anatolian like the Balkans and Iberia in the west is a important cultural bridge and the Minoans where also from Anatolian. The ancient Iberians, Egyptians and Phoenicians where amongst the first people to colonize the Mediterranean. All of these ancient seafaring peoples played a important role in the transmission of culture, ideas and people.

I am intrested in learning more about the Iberians, as they are quite a obscure seemingly indigenous European peoples and they have unknown origins. The Iberians formed close ties with the Celts, who established ancient settlements in Iberia. However they traded extensively throughout the Mediterranean and exhibited a fusion of influences.

[Odar]

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Do not forget Catalans, Albanians and Greeks

I'm from near Asti (land of many great wines), though I was born in Naples. Where have you been?

Southern Italy was undermined first of all by the brutal annexation and civil war (1861-1865), then by 150 of state and mafia plunder. Now the mafias are taking over the north and exporting themselves all around the world.
Oh, well... I admit I don't know whether, say, the Catalan separatists are as clownish as "our" (not mine) Umberto xxxo. But at least Catalans, or Basques, share a history, a culture, a language - the so-called "Padania" is as artificial as could be. The only thing that counts is "less taxes" (for those who don't have a fixed income) and "immigrants out". They mistake culture for cultivation.

There seems to be a link between Iberians and Ligures - or at least that's one of the hypotheses. Did they also have any affinity with the Basques?