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Re: Non-Judaic Nature of Christ
Armenian,
Confusion leads to people losing their faith. You are entitled to have your opinions but when you express them publicly on such topics you have to be careful and display some sense of responsibility towards the reader which might not be versed in the subject being discussed. One must not add up to the confusion already created by the media. People making the promotion of the gnostic gospels among other things usually do that with the actual intent of undermining the Faith.
I don't have neither the time nor the will to debate specific issues here (some of which in fact I do not consider open for debate)
I reject the general protestant/modern attitude towards subjects of the faith which consists in trying to interpret everything outside of the Tradition of the Church in a sort of "sola scriptura" approach. This is making God an object of human subjectivity and is wrong in my view.
That said, on spirituality before the incarnation of Christ, we can refer to John 3:8
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
On the "Jesus was a j-ew" assertion:
This obviously is an (intentionally) misleading statement for the term "j-ew" refers to a modern reality and modern (talmudic) judaism (which is nothing but a disguised atheism with the j-ewish people being the object of worship) is the exact antithesis of christianism. In fact, a "j-ew" is ontologically someone who has crucified Christ in his soul. The j-ews that were Christ' first followers, we call Christians. Most importantly, God isn't j-ewish (nor armenian
). Actually, this "Jesus was a j-ew" statement has an aftertaste of arianism (from Arius)
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We believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of God the Father, only-begotten, that is of the substance of the Father.
God from God, light from light, true God from true God, begotten and not made; of the same nature of the Father, by whom all things came into being in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible;
Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, took body, became man, was born perfectly of the holy Virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit.
By whom he took body, soul and mind and everything that is in man, truly and not in semblance.
He suffered and was crucified and was buried and rose again on the third day and ascended into heaven with the same body and sat at the right hand of the Father.
He is to come with the same body and with the glory of the Father to judge the living and the dead; of His kingdom there is no end.
We believe also in the Holy Spirit, the uncreated and the perfect; who spoke through the Law and through the Prophets and through the Gospels;
Who came down upon the Jordan, preached through the apostles and dwelled in the saints.
We believe also in only one catholic and apostolic holy Church;
In one baptism with repentance for the remission and forgiveness of sins;
In the resurrection of the dead, in the everlasting judgment of souls and bodies, in the kingdom of heaven and in the life eternal.
Armenian,
Confusion leads to people losing their faith. You are entitled to have your opinions but when you express them publicly on such topics you have to be careful and display some sense of responsibility towards the reader which might not be versed in the subject being discussed. One must not add up to the confusion already created by the media. People making the promotion of the gnostic gospels among other things usually do that with the actual intent of undermining the Faith.
I don't have neither the time nor the will to debate specific issues here (some of which in fact I do not consider open for debate)
I reject the general protestant/modern attitude towards subjects of the faith which consists in trying to interpret everything outside of the Tradition of the Church in a sort of "sola scriptura" approach. This is making God an object of human subjectivity and is wrong in my view.
That said, on spirituality before the incarnation of Christ, we can refer to John 3:8
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
On the "Jesus was a j-ew" assertion:
This obviously is an (intentionally) misleading statement for the term "j-ew" refers to a modern reality and modern (talmudic) judaism (which is nothing but a disguised atheism with the j-ewish people being the object of worship) is the exact antithesis of christianism. In fact, a "j-ew" is ontologically someone who has crucified Christ in his soul. The j-ews that were Christ' first followers, we call Christians. Most importantly, God isn't j-ewish (nor armenian
). Actually, this "Jesus was a j-ew" statement has an aftertaste of arianism (from Arius)________________________________________
We believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of God the Father, only-begotten, that is of the substance of the Father.
God from God, light from light, true God from true God, begotten and not made; of the same nature of the Father, by whom all things came into being in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible;
Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, took body, became man, was born perfectly of the holy Virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit.
By whom he took body, soul and mind and everything that is in man, truly and not in semblance.
He suffered and was crucified and was buried and rose again on the third day and ascended into heaven with the same body and sat at the right hand of the Father.
He is to come with the same body and with the glory of the Father to judge the living and the dead; of His kingdom there is no end.
We believe also in the Holy Spirit, the uncreated and the perfect; who spoke through the Law and through the Prophets and through the Gospels;
Who came down upon the Jordan, preached through the apostles and dwelled in the saints.
We believe also in only one catholic and apostolic holy Church;
In one baptism with repentance for the remission and forgiveness of sins;
In the resurrection of the dead, in the everlasting judgment of souls and bodies, in the kingdom of heaven and in the life eternal.
Explain please, Axël. Wasn't it mentioned in the N.T.?? By the way, as far as I know, 'immaculate conception' means that she concieved as a virgin and not she was born without the stain of the original sin, as you suggest.
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