Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

[jgk3]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

That's absurd... The region in question's modern name evolved from an Middle Persian form "Aturpatakan". Perhaps by the 14th century, the form of the name was Azerbaijan. That doesn't mean the inhabitants who've historically populated the territory were newcomers at this time. Perhaps the Oghuz Turks were, but if you check the results of these haplogroup tests, you'll see that the Turkmen like genes in the Azeri populations are quite low, even in the Republic north of the Arax. Clearly, the only newcomer into the region at the time in question was Turkic language and Shiite Islam. The people were largely the same as before.

[oslonor]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

That's absurd... The region in question's modern name evolved from an Middle Persian form "Aturpatakan". Perhaps by the 14th century, the form of the name was Azerbaijan. That doesn't mean the inhabitants who've historically populated the territory were newcomers at this time. Perhaps the Oghuz Turks were, but if you check the results of these haplogroup tests, you'll see that the Turkmen like genes in the Azeri populations are quite low, even in the Republic north of the Arax. Clearly, the only newcomer into the region at the time in question was Turkic language and Shiite Islam. The people were largely the same as before.

That is great. Then you do not have to worry about anything. The pure Iranians will convert Armenia to a pure Iranian country and all armenians look like President Ahmadinejad. Then Armenia can change the name of the country to Scandinavia and you can call yourself Scandinavians. Then you can discuss about your Aryan origin!!!

Let me put it in a context that you understand: An Azeri told me that President Ahmadinejad is an Iranian related to Scandinavians and he is a pure Aryan. President Ahmadinejad is also related to Cyrus the Great and Zoarastra. I told him it really does not matter. President Ahmadinejad has a phenotype of an Azeri Turks, Dinaric Alpine, he speaks Azeri language and he has Azeri culture. As far as we are concerned he is an Azeri Turk or Neo-Iranian or Iranian or Pure Iranian which all are turks.

[Hellektor]

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[oslonor]

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Guys, please ignore this assclown* "Azeri" spambot, they will get lost.

*Thanks crusader1492

Mr. Hellhektor: The question of land you are discussing is from 18 century. Once they have turkified Armenia they control all the land. Moreover Azeri Republic is only a satelite state to Iran. Any threats they make is coming from Tehran. The purpose is put pressure on Armenia and speed up the Turkification of Armenia.

The theatrical shows that Azeri Republic makes with Iran is only for the public.

[jgk3]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

actually azerbaijan is a satellite state of Turkey.

[oslonor]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

actually azerbaijan is a satellite state of Turkey.

Yes. Both Turkey and Iran. This is Demirel policy. To avoid competition with Iran and divide Caucasus and Central Asia between both of them.

Turkey has less influence with Azeri Republic as they do not have much to pressure Azeri Republic with.

[jgk3]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

Yes. Both Turkey and Iran. This is Demirel policy. To avoid competition with Iran and divide Caucasus and Central Asia between both of them.

Turkey has less influence with Azeri Republic as they do not have much to pressure Azeri Republic with.

Those are very easy answers...

What does Iran do to put pressure on Azerbaijan according to you?

[oslonor]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

Those are very easy answers...

What does Iran do to put pressure on Azerbaijan according to you?

Iran has Mr. Hellhektor. Turkey does not have any. Also Iran can put military pressure on Republic and also can use Armenia against the Republic. Turkey has none of those options. Turkification of Armenia is the final step in this process.

You should know that "White Nationalist" such as stormfront has thrown out Armenians and does not recognize them as "Aryans". ON the contrary Iranians were "Aryans" until just recently.

Also Iranian regime is trying to convince Andy the Armenian singer from Iran to become a Moslem. That is the future of Armenia.

[oslonor]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

Do Azeris look like "Persians"?

Azeris claim that they look like Persians and it is not possible to tell the difference between an Azeri and a "Persian".

The reality is something very different. Firstly "Persians" are not a homogenous group. Persians in Iran have different origin. Some are related to the civilization in Mesopotemia. Some Persians are related to local civilizations such as Elam, Kashan, Jiroft etc. Some Persians have Aryan origin such as Parthian, Bactrian, Sogdian and Original Persians in Pars province and Khorasan. The persians with Aryan origin is only about %10 of the population. But all these persians share common culture, Zoarastrian religion, Persian language, Persian history and civilization and even to some extent ethnicity with each other. Persians are also closely related to Baluchs and Kurds.

Azeris claim they look like "Persians" and point to Tehran as a "Persian City" where both Azeris and Persians live. Also Azeri Turks claim there is a lot of inter-marriage between Persians and Azeri Turks in Tehran and also Azeri Turks are astonished to see some people speak Azeri language in Tehran.

The reality is something entirely different. %70-%80 of Tehran are Azeri Turks. There is a lot of inter-marriage between Azeri Turks and other Azeri Turks in Tehran and also Azeri Turks are very similar to other Azeri Turks. Some Azeri Turks claim they are "Persians" and some admit that they are Azeri Turks. So it gives the impression that Azeri Turks look like "Persians".

Azeri Turks mostly hide their origin and state Persian cities as their origin. Azeri turks claim they are from Mashhad, Shiraz, Caspian Region or they are Lurs. For an outsider who does not even know how a Persian look like, it is very easy to believe Azeri Turks look like Persians.

Also the Azeri Turk regime inTehran tries to confuse people about Azeri identity and phenotypes. The Azeri turk regime strongly promotes Gogoosh, a Persian singer, as a "typical azeri turk". Gogoosh is an ethnic persian whose family has lived in Caucasus and that is why she can speak Azeri language. But she has always stressed in all her interviews that she is not Azeri but ethnically a Persian. After receiving bags of money from the regime, she has changed her view and now Gogoosh claims she is Azeri Turk.!!!!

Strangely the other "Azeri Turk" promoted by regime is Farah Pahlavi, the Shah's wife. Although the Shah himself was related to Azeris, Farah Pahlavi is an ethnic Persian from Mazandaran province in the caspian region. Farah Pahlavi has a typical persian phenotype, speaks with a Persian accent and not an Azeri Turk accent, and displays a Persian culture in her speech and manners.

Even if Azeris may change their face with plastic surgery and learn to speak Persian with a Persian accent, to change the culture and manner of speech related to Persians is an impossibility for Azeri Turks as Persian Culture can not be learned in 6 months even if somebody can learn American culture in 6 months. It takes thousands of years to learn Persian culture and it is a barrier that can not be overcome by Azeri Turks.

Persians consider Gilani and Mazandarani as Persians. They are a sub-division within Persians similar to Lurs, Bakhtiarys etc.

This is what Azeri Turks say about Gilani and Mazandarani:

"The Mazandarani and Gilaki groups fall inside a major cluster consisting of populations from the Caucasus and West Asia and are particularly close to the South Caucasus groups—Georgians, Armenians, and Azerbaijanians"

In other words, they claim Mazandarani and Gilani as subgroups of Azeri Turks.

[oslonor]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

Azeri Turks Political Methodology

One of the methods used by Azeri Turks to infiltrate their opponents is start a fight within themselves and try to attract other people to each side. For example Azeri Turks made a lot of noise about the conflict between Tehran Azeris and Azerbaijan Azeris and called them for separatist. They attracted Turkey to support the so called Azeri separatist in Azerbaijan. This way they force Turkey into so much concessions until the Turkish government became destablized. Azeri Turks use "Islam" to attack anatolian turks.

Also the Republic of Azerbaijan invited some afghans to fight for "Islam" against Christian Armenians. Now with oil money, Azerbaijan has enough chechens, arabs, albanians and azeris from Iran to fight on their side. Why did they invite afghans? because this way they establish intelligence contacts within afghans and Azeri Client state in Republic of Azerbaijan can spy for their bosses in Tehran against afghans.

Another method is to support both sides and see which one wins. For example Azeri Turks supported both Karzai and Taliban. Now if Taliban had used weapons sent to them by Azeri Turks in Afghanistan, it would have been a disaster for ordinary Afghan people with thousands dead. So Azeri Turks do not value any human life. This they have done in Iraq with 10.000's of Iraqi people have ended dead in these bombings.