Kurdistan

[Armanen]

Re: Kurdistan

talabani and barzani are more "democratic" than gul or erdogun. If we want to talk about u.s. puppets, especially in the middle east, we should first mention turkey and saudi arabia.

[seruven]

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talabani and barzani are more "democratic" than gul or erdogun. If we want to talk about u.s. puppets, especially in the middle east, we should first mention turkey and saudi arabia.

Armanen, you are writing for the sake of opposing me, a Turk. Although I hate Gül, Erdoğan or their Pro-Islamic party and told many times that Turkey has a lot to do in terms of democracy, it is ridiculous to compare Turkish politicians with their peers.
Turkey's being a puppet of the US does not justify Kurdistan's being a US satellite.
I don't understand the need of mentioning Turks or Turkey in every thread.

[ara87]

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I disagree with that statement. There are many small nations and this idea will cause lots of new countries to be founded. Even if each nation had its own country, since nations are spreaded to vast areas, many problems would be born. If southeast area of Turkey gets independence and a Kurdish state is founded there, what will happen to the Kurds living in İstanbul? (Do you know that more Kurds live in Istanbul than any other city in the world?)
In Europe people fought for their independence and now they are unifying voluntarily. As long as some essential needs are satisfied, it is wise for nations to unify instead of getting segregated.

I should have been more clear, what i meant was all peoples who want to have their own land and rule themselves should be able to. India is made up of many different peoples and while some would like to cede, many are fine with being under the rule of India, so they do not need/want their own land.


In Europe, they are not working towards the same kind of unification as existed before. Before lands were "unified" however one people generally ruled over another, and inequality was evident everywhere. Now, although countries are unified through things like the "EU," they have equality among them, because people are represented more fairly.

And in the case of the Kurds, that saying, "people would rather be ruled by a dictator of their own, than the best a foreign government can offer," is quite true. And it's not like Kurds are equal to the other natives of whatever country they are in, I mean there's a reason they are unhappy with the current situation.

Also without a state of their own how can they ever fairly be represented in the Global community? It's not like they can count on the countries in which they live to represent them to the extent that they want.

[Shaumian]

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The very concept of "Kurdistan" is not only fallacious, it's dangerous. As an imperialist protectorate, it would exclusively serve the interests of the Anglo-Zionist bloc. Armenians should stand in solidarity with Iran, Turkey and the Arab countries against the reactionary Kurdish terrorists. Those that promote a separate "Kurdistan" seek only to destabilize the region and turn Muslims against each other.

Also, it is impossible to reconcile hatred of Turkey and sympathy for Kurdish terrorists. Kurdish tribal lords bear as much responsibility for the genocide against Armenians as the Young Turk regime.

[Armanen]

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I understand where you are coming from Shaumian, but please remember that a) while kurds did play a role in the Genocide they have since admitted to it and apologized, while turkey and most turks have not and b) the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

There isn't much else that I'd rather see than turkey become embroiled in a strung out war with the kurds in northern iraq and so called 'eastern turkey'.

[TheGreat]

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Kurds are dangerous and do not deserve their own land. The Assyrians do tho and should get their own region.

The kurds are hungry for land and some nationalist kurds crave bits of Armenia, van province etc etc. The best would be for them (the kurds) to overthrow the turkish goverment or be elected and take control of the country. Afterall, Turkey is only occupied land and anyone should be able to claim it (Kurds are majority in Turkey). Most turks have their roots in Mongolia and that's to where they should return. The rest of them are assimilated minorities and mixture of different tribes. There is no "Turkish" race and there is no Turkey, only occupied land and god willing this territory will return to its former glory.

[Armanen]

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Kurds are dangerous and do not deserve their own land. The Assyrians do tho and should get their own region.

The kurds are hungry for land and some nationalist kurds crave bits of Armenia, van province etc etc. The best would be for them (the kurds) to overthrow the turkish goverment or be elected and take control of the country. Afterall, Turkey is only occupied land and anyone should be able to claim it (Kurds are majority in Turkey). Most turks have their roots in Mongolia and that's to where they should return. The rest of them are assimilated minorities and mixture of different tribes. There is no "Turkish" race and there is no Turkey, only occupied land and god willing this territory will return to its former glory.

Welcome to the forum!

[Anonymouse]

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Anywhere a Kurd lays a turd is considered "Kurdistan."

[Hye_Psycho]

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The kurds are hungry for land and some nationalist kurds crave bits of Armenia, van province etc etc. The best would be for them (the kurds) to overthrow the turkish goverment or be elected and take control of the country. Afterall, Turkey is only occupied land and anyone should be able to claim it (Kurds are majority in Turkey). Most turks have their roots in Mongolia and that's to where they should return. The rest of them are assimilated minorities and mixture of different tribes. There is no "Turkish" race and there is no Turkey, only occupied land and god willing this territory will return to its former glory.

while i appreciate your thought process, i have to disagree about placing any land in Kurdish hands

Kurds are a malicious, repugnant and uncivilised people. They had an equal role to play in the genocide, and were in fact were instrumental to the ethnic cleansing Of Armenians right up to the 1970's and 80's. These folk have apparently lived here for 'thousands of years' had a complete ethnic majority in many places, but have achieved nothing, established no state infrastructure and there main claim to fame is tormenting death and destruction upon blameless unsuspecting victims.

These people are a disease and those lands are better off remaining a rabid, multi-cultural, hotbed of 'nationalist Kurds', then a homogentisic Kurdish cesspool, predisposed to all types of western infiltration.

And Turkic peoples have little in relation to those in Mongolia. The Mongolian hordes that came to once dominate parts of our region worked hand in hand with Armenians and other indigenous peoples. I would be cautious in implicating Turks as Mongols and vice versa.

The enemy of my enemy could indeed be considered a friend. But people have to realise that the Kurds are the enemy. Befriending and bestowing good will upon our destroyers is an all to common sad reality in some political and social circles.

[Anonymouse]

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while i appreciate your thought process, i have to disagree about placing any land in Kurdish hands

Kurds are a malicious, repugnant and uncivilised people. They had an equal role to play in the genocide, and were in fact were instrumental to the ethnic cleansing Of Armenians right up to the 1970's and 80's. These folk have apparently lived here for 'thousands of years' had a complete ethnic majority in many places, but have achieved nothing, established no state infrastructure and there main claim to fame is tormenting death and destruction upon blameless unsuspecting victims.

These people are a disease and those lands are better off remaining a rabid, multi-cultural, hotbed of 'nationalist Kurds', then a homogentisic Kurdish cesspool, predisposed to all types of western infiltration.

And Turkic peoples have little in relation to those in Mongolia. The Mongolian hordes that came to once dominate parts of our region worked hand in hand with Armenians and other indigenous peoples. I would be cautious in implicating Turks as Mongols and vice versa.

The enemy of my enemy could indeed be considered a friend. But people have to realise that the Kurds are the enemy. Befriending and bestowing good will upon our destroyers is an all to common sad reality in some political and social circles.

Jesus. Some of you posters that come here are filled with so much rage and animosity towards certain groups deemed "enemy status" that it's almost scary to imagine what would happen if roles were reversed and Armenians were placed in positions of power and domination. Let's not let our dark sides control us, shall we? And let's keep the simplistic view of the world for the birds, eh?