Racism

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by SagGal Aries, Jews coming from the word, Judaism. It's a religion. Just like
Chrisians coming from the word Christianity.

What about this forum? Don't u guys think that this forum can get kind of racist? I mean, there's a forum page of when ppl reveal members who are not Armenian. I do like this being only armenians forum, but it kind of shows a little bit of racism.
I bet you guys are gonna yell at me for that one.

What Artsakhtsi said is also a good point.

Quoting Anon~~ "If 'African Americans' can have their own school clubs, why can't "European Americans"? That is in itself reverse discrimination by the standards of the same people that argue against discrimination."

True. They use the reason that they used to be slaves, and they have always been discriminated and still are. But don't you guys think that sometimes they take it out of line? It's like, a white man is supposed to feel guilty about it for the rest of his life?

Politics of race and discrimination are just stupid period. This forum in itself is discriminatory since it is for Armenians, excluding all others. Face it, discrimination is part of our natural lives.

[SagGal]

Originally posted by Anonymouse Politics of race and discrimination are just stupid period. This forum in itself is discriminatory since it is for Armenians, excluding all others. Face it, discrimination is part of our natural lives.

Exactly.


Also, to me, US is the first country that shows a great idea of discrimation and racism. It is mainly because of the diversity in US. Immigrants and all. There are so many different races here(US).

[loseyourname]

You're all just jealous 'cause I get preferential treatment from private universities and government aid for being half Cherokee.

I suppose I am against affirmative action on principle even if I do benefit from it. Oh well, everyone's a hypocrite.

[felizitation]

Re: Re: Racism

Originally posted by Anonymouse Of course it can be argued that race and racism exist. But again it is more politics than it is anything else in our age. The politics of race is perhaps one of the most powerful politics there are. If race doesn't exist, why do we have all these so called "anti racism laws" known as "Civil Rights" and "anti-discrimination". If we are indeed "all equal" why do we need Big Brother and hordes of legislation and constant monitoring and affirmitive to insure that we are equal?

I think that there is a confusion on the word racisms and race. The problem of the racism was that it gave people a very good pretexte/support to discrimate people, and thus leding to inequalities

For my part, there is two layer for the word race:
- race as race of animals, race of fruit, we can put in "Human race"
- race as being physically different (ethnic stands for cultural differences)

Of course, there is PHYSICAL differences. A white guy has the skin pretty ... white, a black guy would have a skin pretty black. We may iterate this on all differences: the ones having a big nose, the others, the ones having long hairs (Arvee), the other (me). Etc...

Now, saying that there is "no race", is saying that everybody belongs to human race, which is true of course.
What does it mean ? It means that intellectually speaking, we are (almost) all equals or better to say that : for seizing the ability of someone to perform a specific task, one cannot base its judgement on physical appearance.

Originally posted by Anonymouse
People fail to understand that discrimination is a healthy thing ( of course this will get me publically ostracised ). It is the natural, rather, it is the cognitive ability to differentiate. We discriminate in our everyday lives. Everytime we choose something, over something else, we are in essence discriminating. If I choose to marry an Armenian, that is ipso facto discrimination, for I am discriminating against everyone else. I cannot not discriminate, since it involves choosing something over another.

Yes, I agree, but I definitely won't use the word "discrimination", which has a highly pejorative semantic. Noticing the differences does not necessarly led to predjudice, it allows you to "differenciate" someone. Here again we may iterate from rough differences to finer differences: green, blue... ugly, nice, tall, small...
We do differenciations within what we roughly would call a race. For instance, recognising a face is based on physical differences.
Concerning the armenian part of the paragraph, yes, this is discriminating, but it is essentially based on cultural differences. The fact is that a lot of armenians look the same. There is not very very big physical differences, but being armenian is first of all belonging to a culture. You have never seen a black skinned or indian looking armenian. I did. For me, they are armenian, because they feel armenian, they speak armenian, etc...
they embraced the armenian culture.

Originally posted by Anonymouse
Furthermore, if by "race" we mean that there are differences among the population groups, then yes race does exist. Does this mean that one should hate based on these? My logic tells me no, but there are those that do. Even in our everyday lives, we feel more comfortable around our kin, our "family" or "race" or "culture", but egalitarianism forces integration out of its own natural setting. Integration and assimilation happen over time and always take place in history, however egalitarianism forces it. This is part of the reason why homogenous countries in general experience less crime and have more social cohesion, due to the lack of many conflict variables which we can attribute to chaos theory, and Japan is one of my prime examples of the wonders of ethnic homogeneity. They don't have the problems America has with regard to "race", since you are Japanese.

Egalitarism, as presented by states/government, is another thing. As you said, we force people to be together, even if they don't want to. We say them just that, socially speaking, a person benefits of the same rights than you, and we saying that by obviously laying the stress on differences.Presenting stuff like this is being far away from the only essence of egalitarism, since you don't tell/argue/convince why people are equal. It's like a Staline forcing people to be happy.
Egalitarism presented like that would exist only with the government acting as mediator. Only ministries may fake to believe this.
By the way, egalitarism is new and is a doctrine. Like many other doctrines, it may be wrong.

Now Racism is dicrimination based upon physical differences. Racism is not only "hate", even if it tends to. Actually hate is the more predjudicing feeling that racism may feed. Hate can ease (genocide) or complicate (us) an organisation as a whole. By the way, racism begin with "subjectivity" (I don't know how to say that) linked to physical differences (blacks run faster, indians are better computer analysts ...)

I disagree with the fact that homogeneity is synonimous to cohesion/stability. The asian countries have much more disuasive stuff concerning crimes, and simply do not mediatise this as america does. We don't know exactly what is happening in this country, but from my "movie" experience, violences exist as well as western countries.
Vietman is maybe another known example of how violent people may be.

Originally posted by Anonymouse
I find it very funny that the idea of "diversity" or egalitarianism is only pushed in Western countries. You don't see Korea, or Japan embracing such concepts. Of course if someone chooses to to stay within the confines of their own "family", "ethnicity", "race", etc., I see no harm in them doing it. If "African Americans" can have their own school clubs, why can't "European Americans"?
That is in itself reverse discrimination by the standards of the same people that argue against discrimination. We are essentially creating these identities so why not give it to everyone as well?
At the same time, if someone wishes to embrace diversity, I see no harm in that either, but our political conditioning has taught as that discrimination, the natural or cognitive ability to differentiate is somehow evil.

For asian countries, the blood stuff belongs to the culture, as the system is organised in caste. This does not exist in western countries, because we offer (in appearances at least) the chance to anybody to access any function, socially speaking. So, we can see a bodybuilder heading the sixth greatest power (hahaha). In western countries, since the human rights (thank French ) we have rejected the idea of a human being to be confined regarding his "blood".

Here again, reverse discrimation shows that hate took all over it, since it is the revenge of the submitted class. And as revenge another population is becoming racist. Here again, nothing was resolved. We fighted racism with racism ("being racist, what a shame !") without telling people why racism is not founded.

The more one gives room to a problem, the more the problem gets room. Claiming problems will force thinking people that
there is problems, claiming fear will breed fear ...
This is exactly what is happening with racism.
The point is that people never forgive, people forget.

PS: I edited this message once

[TJ]

i am pretty racist actually ill tell you guys but you better not tell anyone. i dont know what to make of it but i have 2 black friends but on the inside i really dont like blacks, i try to tell myself that its okay to be racist and their friends because they are educated and honest good guys while a lot of the black population is uneducated/ criminal but i feel bad.

anyway i also am racist against turks, azeris, zionists like anon said(except that they are not a race), pakistanis, chinks, koreans, puerto ricans, oh and also people who call themselves "americans"

[felizitation]

Originally posted by TigranJamharian ...
, oh and also people who call themselves "americans"

Armenians ?

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by TigranJamharian people who call themselves "americans"

Does this include Native Americans?

[TJ]

no this includes people whos ancestors or they themselves came here from other countries after columbuss discovery and now call themselves americans

[felizitation]

Originally posted by TigranJamharian no this includes people whos ancestors or they themselves came here from other countries after columbuss discovery and now call themselves americans

But is there anymore "truth american" ?

[loseyourname]

I guess we're all African if you go back far enough. I was born in the US, and half of my ancestors have been here for millenia, so xxxx it, I'm American. What about you? Do you consider yourself French? For that matter, how do you feel about Americans?