EU-Turkey: A Full Membership Or A "Privileged Partnership?"

[karakitap]

What is your point? It seems you are jealous that you don't speak an Indo European language, and are stuck with some Asiatic altaic nonsense. I think you have to reassess the inferiority complex. It's not what I believe Turkoglu, it's what it is. Armenians speak an Indo European language. Chechens do not. They speak a Caucasian language.



What a wonderful job you are doing, as Turks always do, of painting the issue with lies. While Armenia may have aspirations into the EU, who do we constantly hear about in the news, whining to constantly have its piece of the pie in the EU? Turkey. Of course you are not ambitious to join the EU. The EU, at least in its effrontery doesn't support bloodlusting, which is much a part of Turkish history. Turkey claims a long history of bloodlusting, which now is with the Kurds.

Oh Anonymouse I clearly see that it is useless to continue this discussion since you still continue this childish good European-Bad Asian thing. I recommend you to go to a psychologist about your identity problems. That's all.

[Anonymouse]

Oh Anonymouse I clearly see that it is useless to continue this discussion since you still continue this childish good European-Bad Asian thing. I recommend you to go to a psychologist about your identity problems. That's all.

What a pity, Turkoglu runs away.

[bezjian]

I think you may be misinterpreting things. They are perhaps not distancing themselves from anything oriental, but are merely distancing themselves from you.

fine by me, they can continue pouring chemicals into their hair, shelling out thousands on plastic surgery to correct their non-european features, eating tasteless mass-produced food while watching brain-dead tv shows that glorify trashiness and vulgarity, listening to awful music that is either just loud noise or stolen from black people, paying for the psychological counseling they need for their spoiled yet disaffected kids, and in general spending the rest of their lives trying to fit in and convince themselves and everyone around them they are good americans.

you didn't challenge anything in my post so i'm not sure what your point was.

[karakitap]

What a pity, Turkoglu runs away.

No I'm here, so you cn continue your posts about how you are proud of being "Indo-European thing" and how I am jealous because I am Ural-Altaic, etc. Please continue to post these kind of things, they are enjoyable. What I mean was only, it seems that there is no way for you to purift from your inferiority complex in this discussion so I just quit to show you how miserable you seem. Otherwise I am welcome to yours, Siamanto's and Red Brigade's posts begging Europanness. I think the best one was Siamanto. Hmm what was it like...
"We, Armenians+who live in Russia+which is in Europe+are European."
But the best one which posted at another thread was this I think:
"We Armenians were white and European before, but you Turks stolen our genes in history, so we became brunette, and some Turks became blondie..."
This one was the most miserable one I think.
BTW, besides my ridicules, since it is the intellectual lounge Armenian intellectuals have to discuss about this problem for my opinion since it is a real obstacle about the self-confidence of Armenian nation in the future.

[Anonymouse]

No I'm here, so you cn continue your posts about how you are proud of being "Indo-European thing" and how I am jealous because I am Ural-Altaic, etc. Please continue to post these kind of things, they are enjoyable. What I mean was only, it seems that there is no way for you to purift from your inferiority complex in this discussion so I just quit to show you how miserable you seem. Otherwise I am welcome to yours, Siamanto's and Red Brigade's posts begging Europanness. I think the best one was Siamanto. Hmm what was it like...
"We, Armenians+who live in Russia+which is in Europe+are European."
But the best one which posted at another thread was this I think:
"We Armenians were white and European before, but you Turks stolen our genes in history, so we became brunette, and some Turks became blondie..."
This one was the most miserable one I think.
BTW, besides my ridicules, since it is the intellectual lounge Armenian intellectuals have to discuss about this problem for my opinion since it is a real obstacle about the self-confidence of Armenian nation in the future.

You are once again missing the point Turkoglu and I'm beginning to wonder whether it is because you are a Turk intentionally trying to misdirect or because you are just obtuse. You whine about how Armenians have an inferiority complex, yet you haven't defined what this inferiority complex is. You claim that you can't discuss or debate because of that yet here you are coming back for more. It seems that you equate Armenians demanding justice and honesty from Turkey, and criticism of Turkey, for their crimes with having an inferiority complex. And your rant above has nothing to do with the discussion topic in the title. But that is characteristic of a Turk. When you cannot debate or discuss the facts and validity of said statements, it is always wiser to attack the messenger as you have done.

[karakitap]

You are once again missing the point Turkoglu and I'm beginning to wonder whether it is because you are a Turk intentionally trying to misdirect or because you are just obtuse. You whine about how Armenians have an inferiority complex, yet you haven't defined what this inferiority complex is. You claim that you can't discuss or debate because of that yet here you are coming back for more. It seems that you equate Armenians demanding justice and honesty from Turkey, and criticism of Turkey, for their crimes with having an inferiority complex. And your rant above has nothing to do with the discussion topic in the title. But that is characteristic of a Turk. When you cannot debate or discuss the facts and validity of said statements, it is always wiser to attack the messenger as you have done.

You still need the definition of the inferiority complex? I don'T think so. Even you may undrestand the issue. Well mouse, lets quit this argument, ok? Sometimes it is best to learn and try to correct your foolish sides even if you learn this from a Turk. You may feel yourself uncomfortable and try to offense for this. I can understand it, but beside desperately answering me lets think how you really seem fool and try to cure this inferiority complex.

[Anonymouse]

You still need the definition of the inferiority complex? I don'T think so. Even you may undrestand the issue. Well mouse, lets quit this argument, ok? Sometimes it is best to learn and try to correct your foolish sides even if you learn this from a Turk. You may feel yourself uncomfortable and try to offense for this. I can understand it, but beside desperately answering me lets think how you really seem fool and try to cure this inferiority complex.

I am seriously questioning your motives on this forum, as I am of the persuasion that you are not here to discuss. As far as what defines a real nation, certainly not kidnapping babies of Greeks and Slavs into the Jannissaries and massacring others. A wild tribe, maybe; but a nation, hardly. As the famous line from the movie Midnight Express said, you are a nation of pigs who don't eat pigs.

[karakitap]

I am seriously questioning your motives on this forum, as I am of the persuasion that you are not here to discuss. As far as what defines a real nation, certainly not kidnapping babies of Greeks and Slavs into the Jannissaries and massacring others. A wild tribe, maybe; but a nation, hardly. As the famous line from the movie Midnight Express said, you are a nation of pigs who don't eat pigs.

By awakening your racist spirit you only approve what I wrote above and this makes you more miserable. Instead of attacking vulgarly calm down and don't show you fooler. You have to question different things for my opinion. For example how you seem miserable, insecure, fool, obsessive, racist, etc.
Unfortunately these adjectives are not offense as you did but your reality.
Now since you showed all you capacity and failed should we quit?

[Anonymouse]

By awakening your racist spirit you only approve what I wrote above and this makes you more miserable. Instead of attacking vulgarly calm down and don't show you fooler. You have to question different things for my opinion. For example how you seem miserable, insecure, fool, obsessive, racist, etc.
Unfortunately these adjectives are not offense as you did but your reality.
Now since you showed all you capacity and failed should we quit?

Racist spirit? Who said I am racist? If you believe there is no such thing as race and we should all hold hands and sing Kumbaya, then I can't be a racist can I? Furthermore, Turks are not a race, and although it may seem tempting to label me a racist because I quoted a movie line, it falls short. If what I say is not true then why get worked over it? It is because what I said about your nation historically is true, that you are bothered by it. And that is why you must compensate for it by steering away any and all discussions of the relevant facts, to meaningless name calling.

By your above response you only confirm my point that you are simply another regular Turk that is far more interested in rants, raves, and mindless assertions, than an actual discussion. You forfeited your rights to a discussion when you initiated the name calling, so do not pretend to act as some holier than thou Turk merely defending against "hateful Armenians". You must first engage in introspection of your own actions to see why I said what I said. Of course, introspection is something Turks have always been short on. Now run along Turkoglu. Other than your regular rant you have nothing more to add it has been clear.

[karakitap]

Racist spirit? Who said I am racist? If you believe there is no such thing as race and we should all hold hands and sing Kumbaya, then I can't be a racist can I? Furthermore, Turks are not a race, and although it may seem tempting to label me a racist because I quoted a movie line, it falls short. If what I say is not true then why get worked over it? It is because what I said about your nation historically is true, that you are bothered by it. And that is why you must compensate for it by steering away any and all discussions of the relevant facts, to meaningless name calling.

By your above response you only confirm my point that you are simply another regular Turk that is far more interested in rants, raves, and mindless assertions, than an actual discussion. You forfeited your rights to a discussion when you initiated the name calling, so do not pretend to act as some holier than thou Turk merely defending against "hateful Armenians". You must first engage in introspection of your own actions to see why I said what I said. Of course, introspection is something Turks have always been short on. Now run along Turkoglu. Other than your regular rant you have nothing more to add it has been clear.

Well, since you seem like a person who is unable to show an intellectual ability or a clever argument, I don't have a willingness to discuss with you. Only turning around racist sterotypes which you created to feel yourself better...I stated your community's miserable situation clearly above. If you have a serious opposition to what I said then express it clearly. Otherwise I don't have a desire to ridicule your personal miserable situation anymore.