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Originally posted by AnonymousePrecisely. Which is why you can understand our position Turkoglu.
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Originally posted by karakitapRed brigade was hopelessly trying to prove his Europeanness and suddenly you came and said both of us are wrong. So express your opinion. Otherwise don't bother me since I am entertaining with Red Brigade and Siamanto.
The idea of "Europe" and "Middle East" are merely invented terms given to geographic areas. These geographic areas in and of themselves have no meaning. It is people who have occupied these lands that have given it meaning and thus the labels. The "Middle East" is a late 19th century creation, as it was simply called the Levant, to refer to Palestine, Lebanon and Syria, as well as being referred to as Near East. Europe as a traditional continent falls short because Europe is not a land mass. It is more like a giant Peninsula attached to Asia, hence the term Eurasia would be more precise. Europeans self consciously have given themselves meaning by separating themselves from the rest and putting the artificial boundary of Europe at the Urals. However, when the Ottoman empires boundaries extended to the gates of Vienna, it was said that Europe ended there and the rest was considered Asia. So the idea of Europe has changed over time. The same is in the Middle east. Borders and boundaries are fluid and change over time. They are not trapped or static in time, but subject to historical changes. Therefore, to refer to these geographical areas as unchanging boundaries and we either fall in one or the other is simply incorrect.Achkerov kute.
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Originally posted by AnonymouseOh well, would you look at that, the little Turkoglu doesn't want me to bother him. Well, I will bother you then.
The idea of "Europe" and "Middle East" are merely invented terms given to geographic areas. These geographic areas in and of themselves have no meaning. It is people who have occupied these lands that have given it meaning and thus the labels. The "Middle East" is a late 19th century creation, as it was simply called the Levant, to refer to Palestine, Lebanon and Syria, as well as being referred to as Near East. Europe as a traditional continent falls short because Europe is not a land mass. It is more like a giant Peninsula attached to Asia, hence the term Eurasia would be more precise. Europeans self consciously have given themselves meaning by separating themselves from the rest and putting the artificial boundary of Europe at the Urals. However, when the Ottoman empires boundaries extended to the gates of Vienna, it was said that Europe ended there and the rest was considered Asia. So the idea of Europe has changed over time. The same is in the Middle east. Borders and boundaries are fluid and change over time. They are not trapped or static in time, but subject to historical changes. Therefore, to refer to these geographical areas as unchanging boundaries and we either fall in one or the other is simply incorrect.
We are not talking about the geografically boundaries of Europe which includes countries like Ukraine, Moldovia, Belarussia and even parts of Kazakstan. The "Europe" which Red Brigade and rest of you are ambitiously try to feel yourself a part of it is the European nations who are shaped culturally with renaissance and reform, geographycally with Atlantic to Adriatic and ethnically nations consist of the combination of "civilised Romans" and "Barbar" Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Angles, Saxons, Lombards, Bourgons, Franks, Slavs, Friesians, etc. As a result your "Indo-European White Armenians doesn't include thid "privilidged society" both historically, culturally and geographycally. You lived a completely different historical experience than Europeans and you have no common values with them besides being Christian. But being Christian is not a sufficient reference since there are also other middle eastern Christians like Assyrians, Maronites, Keldanians, Nastourians, etc. who are completely Asian like you. They don't have this kind of claim and I'm sure that except your "diasporans confused with their identity" ordinary Armenians in the middle east don't have this kind of ambitious claims or inferioriy complexes, too.
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I believe that this is a rather meaningless argument - it concerns semantics and not real issues.
I do think however that there is a clear distinction both with the international reputations of Armenians and Turks and regarding how each group is looked upon where they have settled into other nations. A very clear distinction. A very telling distinction.
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Originally posted by winomanI believe that this is a rather meaningless argument - it concerns semantics and not real issues.
I do think however that there is a clear distinction both with the international reputations of Armenians and Turks and regarding how each group is looked upon where they have settled into other nations. A very clear distinction. A very telling distinction.
Of course it is a meaningless argumetn, so stop this inferiority complex and don't continue this childish behaviours.
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