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  • #61
    I can't believe this is still in debate...

    I thought the Darwinian Trials (Monkey Trials whatever) in I believe South Carolina really shed light on the thought processes of the creationists...

    "I ain't from no ape!! Yeeeehhhaaawwww!!"

    That's basically what all this boils down to...creationists in MY THEORY feel superior to every other living organism on the planet thus why it would be inconceivable for them to have evolved from apes.

    "INVCONCEIVABLE!!"

    Really natural selection is a better term to describe what REALLY happens in the evolutionary process. This is that animals/plants and so on with characteristics that were not beneficial to survival DIED leaving behind the long string of survivors that adapted to their environment better than those who went by the way side.

    We should at least all recognize natural selection as an innate truth that surrounds us everyday.

    There is plenty of EVIDENCE supporting evolution which can not be said about the creationists’ theory. I mean there really isn't that much empirical evidence supporting ANYTHING in the Bible. Like Mt. Ararat being the home of Noah’s ark .... right. Or how about where the Arc of the Covenant is located? We don't even know if Jesus was WHITE, yet we go even FURTHER back and try to support claims from the Old Testament ... from the book of Genesis as in the FIRST things ever written for the religion!! LOL

    On the other hand we have DNA evidence, fossils, opposable thumbs, and those fish that they thought were extinct that crawl up onto land with their little feet!

    My girlfriend is an anthropologist with a degree in anthropology (duh!) from University of Michigan. For fear that she might think a good deal of Armenians are not brightest bulbs on the tree I think I'll refrain from telling/showing her this thread.

    While we debate this most fundamental of issues she and I DISCUSS (<- read something ppl on bulletin boards are incapable of actually doing) some of the more intriguing evolutionary topics floating around today such as the Multiple ape theory (I think that's what it's called heheh HEY I'm the music major ) This theory basically poses the idea that we evolved from different apes associated with different regions thus why we have major physical/psychological differences from region to region.

    There are lots of other interesting ideas around these days, but why share them when a good portion of the ppl here are still debating this tired old issue...anyone have a dead horse to beat?

    PS there are scientific "theories" that I bet some of the most adamant creationists here definitely believe in like the plate tectonic theory. Can we definitively prove that it is real? I suppose earthquakes and mountains and fault lines are just silly and pseudoscience LMAO. Religion is the biggest pseudoscience EVER imo!!

    There are also some scientific laws that break down at certain times as well like physics and black holes, however we still use physics to define the physical world around us everyday.

    A lot of ppl look for God and unfortunately all they ever find is religion...

    Boo

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Lamb Boy
      There are lots of other interesting ideas around these days, but why share them when a good portion of the ppl here are still debating this tired old issue...anyone have a dead horse to beat?
      Good post but fortunately, 1. It's not a good portion of the ppl here debating (it's mainly 1 or 2 arguing against evolution) and 2. There isn't really anyone arguing FOR creationism (thank GOD!) as far as I can see. So the main debate as far as I see it here is limited to whether "evolution" is supported by "science" or not.
      this post = teh win.

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      • #63
        Sip - Evolution as Science - as good science, accepted Science and so on and so forth is pretty clearly established IMO and nothing that anyone has posted here has offered up anything factual to cause one to doubt it - as science and/or as basic truth - as best can be known by man at this time. Fundementally - the counter argument - when examined - is questioning the validity of Science itself - basicaly calling belief/relience on such and on scientific techniques of understanding things - as no better then using myth/religion. Thus - whether or not our local critics of Evolution believe in strict creationsim - its irrelevant - as whatever is believed - and for the most part alternatives have been left unsaid (and wisely so I might add) - whatever is believed - that is counter to the basic doctines and findings that fit within the broad category of the tennents and discoveries of Evolution/Evolutionary Science as known today - is just refusal to believe that Science can actually explain anything about our world and basically is relying on pure personal conjecture - reality is this way because this is what I believe with no tie to any evidence or broad objectivity. Sad and pathetic really...in this day and age...you would think...etc

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        • #64
          Lamb Boy - Good post (BTW - I too have a degree in Anthropology - just FYI!)

          Originally posted by Lamb Boy
          PS there are scientific "theories" that I bet some of the most adamant creationists here definitely believe in like the plate tectonic theory. Can we definitively prove that it is real? I suppose earthquakes and mountains and fault lines are just silly and pseudoscience LMAO. Religion is the biggest pseudoscience EVER imo!!

          There are also some scientific laws that break down at certain times as well like physics and black holes, however we still use physics to define the physical world around us everyday.
          Yeah - I've never seen a "plate" in the Earth - how silly - looks pretty solid to me...and those big cracks in the ground - well I think rain/erosian caused it - and probably just last weekend - how do I know it was like that for millenia - I didn't observe it - it was in the past....and black holes - I believe in the existance of one when I can touch it for myself! So there!

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Sip
            Not even having heard the answers to those questions, I'd go as fas as to say continuing these "discussions" is pointless.
            Agreed. But sometimes it's just fun seeing winoman get flustered and try to copy and paste a bunch of articles and websites.
            Achkerov kute.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Lamb Boy
              I can't believe this is still in debate...

              I thought the Darwinian Trials (Monkey Trials whatever) in I believe South Carolina really shed light on the thought processes of the creationists...

              "I ain't from no ape!! Yeeeehhhaaawwww!!"

              That's basically what all this boils down to...creationists in MY THEORY feel superior to every other living organism on the planet thus why it would be inconceivable for them to have evolved from apes.

              "INVCONCEIVABLE!!"

              Really natural selection is a better term to describe what REALLY happens in the evolutionary process. This is that animals/plants and so on with characteristics that were not beneficial to survival DIED leaving behind the long string of survivors that adapted to their environment better than those who went by the way side.

              We should at least all recognize natural selection as an innate truth that surrounds us everyday.

              There is plenty of EVIDENCE supporting evolution which can not be said about the creationists’ theory. I mean there really isn't that much empirical evidence supporting ANYTHING in the Bible. Like Mt. Ararat being the home of Noah’s ark .... right. Or how about where the Arc of the Covenant is located? We don't even know if Jesus was WHITE, yet we go even FURTHER back and try to support claims from the Old Testament ... from the book of Genesis as in the FIRST things ever written for the religion!! LOL

              On the other hand we have DNA evidence, fossils, opposable thumbs, and those fish that they thought were extinct that crawl up onto land with their little feet!

              My girlfriend is an anthropologist with a degree in anthropology (duh!) from University of Michigan. For fear that she might think a good deal of Armenians are not brightest bulbs on the tree I think I'll refrain from telling/showing her this thread.

              While we debate this most fundamental of issues she and I DISCUSS (<- read something ppl on bulletin boards are incapable of actually doing) some of the more intriguing evolutionary topics floating around today such as the Multiple ape theory (I think that's what it's called heheh HEY I'm the music major ) This theory basically poses the idea that we evolved from different apes associated with different regions thus why we have major physical/psychological differences from region to region.

              There are lots of other interesting ideas around these days, but why share them when a good portion of the ppl here are still debating this tired old issue...anyone have a dead horse to beat?

              PS there are scientific "theories" that I bet some of the most adamant creationists here definitely believe in like the plate tectonic theory. Can we definitively prove that it is real? I suppose earthquakes and mountains and fault lines are just silly and pseudoscience LMAO. Religion is the biggest pseudoscience EVER imo!!

              There are also some scientific laws that break down at certain times as well like physics and black holes, however we still use physics to define the physical world around us everyday.

              A lot of ppl look for God and unfortunately all they ever find is religion...

              Boo

              Apparently you don't understand the pillar of science - the scientific method.
              Achkerov kute.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Anonymouse
                Agreed. But sometimes it's just fun seeing winoman get flustered and try to copy and paste a bunch of articles and websites.
                So you are saying that you enjoy looking the fool? yes...you must...

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Anonymouse
                  Apparently you don't understand the pillar of science - the scientific method.
                  Please explain to me how you came to this conclusion given what I wrote in my post as I am seriously confused by your “rebuttal” if that’s what you call it…

                  What did I mention that even infers the scientific method?

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Lamb Boy
                    Please explain to me how you came to this conclusion given what I wrote in my post as I am seriously confused by your “rebuttal” if that’s what you call it…

                    What did I mention that even infers the scientific method?
                    I was simply amused at the lack of scientific candor prevalent in your first post, that you "can't believe", that this discussion still occurs. How dare anyone question anything! Oh the nerve of those pesky inquisitive minds!
                    Achkerov kute.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Sip
                      So the main debate as far as I see it here is limited to whether "evolution" is supported by "science" or not.
                      Precisely, and those such as myself who contend that both creationism, and evolution, are merely beliefs and nothing more.
                      Achkerov kute.

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