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    What do you consider more important.....

    Ok I was having a discussion with my friends and we came upon the topic of how intelligence is defined. In other words we were arguing if it is better when

    Someone is well educated in a "graduated from university with PhD" sense,
    OR,

    If someone that has traveled and seen a lot of the world is considered more intelligent

    I vote for someone that has traveled and seen a lot of the world. I see in people that have traveled a lot a very unique "wisdom" that spans beyond the ability of what a school education can provide. Those that have traveled and lived as locals (we are not talking about tourism style traveling involving staying at a hotel and just doing "tours") usually have a very broad expanse of knowledge concerning more practical issues such as politics, international relations, customs, culture...etc. I also understand the value of reading but we are speaking about a high quality university educated! Not necessarily someone that has read lots of books on different topics! A few of my friends said that someone that has graduated from a university has a lot more knowledge and many things can not be learned from travelling, such as mathematics. I replied that though basic math is important, anything more advanced is not practical knowledge necessary for life.

    Ok what do you guys think?
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    Re: What do you consider more important.....

    General intelligence: Ability to act on conceptual information?

    Someone with great intelligence #1: wait wait... something's out of line here. This guy's a fake.

    #2: I agree with everything he has to say, therefore he's intelligent.

    #3: I don't know what the hell he's talking about, but it sounds really complicated, therefore he must be intelligent.

    Wisdom: Wisdom is knowing your limits, knowing when to stop this whole intelligence sharade.

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    • #3
      Re: What do you consider more important.....

      I think you may mean knowledeable or something because intelligence isn't something you can aqcuire (by definition).
      [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
      -Henry Ford[/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]

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      • #4
        Re: What do you consider more important.....

        I'd like to see someone who has traveled the globe try to decypher the human DNA or come up with an algorithm on the same level of public key encryption.

        When you travel, you see and experience the world in a very broad sense. When you dedicate a major part of your life to get a Ph.D, you supposedly gain a very in-depth knowledge of a very particular subject (you become the expert), while at the same time exercising and developing your mind to think very critically, communicate, and to innovate.

        Either way, both can be enlightening experiences.

        But my question is, why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't it be both?
        this post = teh win.

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        • #5
          Re: What do you consider more important.....

          yeah, Sip is right about that. There's a form of intelligence you can only excercise if you focus your study on a particular subject, to the point where you know everything that has been discovered about it, and are ready to actively engage yourself in it's further advancement...

          Anybody, given the opportunity, can be a nomad and travel the world, but how many of us sit down and actually master something?

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          • #6
            Re: What do you consider more important.....

            Originally posted by lucedelaluna
            Ok I was having a discussion with my friends and we came upon the topic of how intelligence is defined. In other words we were arguing if it is better when

            Someone is well educated in a "graduated from university with PhD" sense,
            OR,

            If someone that has traveled and seen a lot of the world is considered more intelligent

            I vote for someone that has traveled and seen a lot of the world. I see in people that have traveled a lot a very unique "wisdom" that spans beyond the ability of what a school education can provide. Those that have traveled and lived as locals (we are not talking about tourism style traveling involving staying at a hotel and just doing "tours") usually have a very broad expanse of knowledge concerning more practical issues such as politics, international relations, customs, culture...etc. I also understand the value of reading but we are speaking about a high quality university educated! Not necessarily someone that has read lots of books on different topics! A few of my friends said that someone that has graduated from a university has a lot more knowledge and many things can not be learned from travelling, such as mathematics. I replied that though basic math is important, anything more advanced is not practical knowledge necessary for life.

            Ok what do you guys think?

            Knowledge is the acquisition of facts. It is studied, learned and acquired.

            Intelligence is biological. It is the biological propensity of critical and analytical thought, to how much knowledge one can acquire and how fast, and to how fast one can think with ones knowledge and feed back.
            Achkerov kute.

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            • #7
              Re: What do you consider more important.....

              I doubt it's exclusively biological... Part of it is nurture. We can debate this if you like.

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              • #8
                Re: What do you consider more important.....

                Originally posted by jgk3
                I doubt it's exclusively biological... Part of it is nurture. We can debate this if you like.
                Intelligence is biological. That is why intelligent people produce intelligent offspring. That is also why low class and unintelligent people produce the same low quality and en masse. There is a truth in eugenic or dysgenic breeding. Society, at least modern welfare warfare state, promotes dysgenic breeding by supporting the lower end population. By social legislation, programs, welfare, etc., it supports the growth of the low class, the poor, the unintelligent and the uncultivated ones. Hitler was right in one thing and that was his policy of not supporting the latter.
                Achkerov kute.

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                • #9
                  Re: What do you consider more important.....

                  My argument is...

                  Our brains are adaptable to our environment, and that includes our learning environment.

                  In some environments, the focus is on semantics, and so in that culture, the standard for retention of semantic information is higher. Does that make all individuals from that culture more intelligent than another?

                  What if another culture's focus is on logistics, say for a hunter gatherer society? If they are evaluated on semantics, they may perform more poorly, while if evaluated on logistics, they will perform better.

                  The brain is capable of learning both primary systems of thought, yet if a member from one group is placed in the other, they must readapt to a system of thought that they did not grow up with, and in the process, they may be seen as less useful contributors to that culture.

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                  • #10
                    Re: What do you consider more important.....

                    Originally posted by jgk3
                    My argument is...

                    Our brains are adaptable to our environment, and that includes our learning environment.

                    In some environments, the focus is on semantics, and so in that culture, the standard for retention of semantic information is higher. Does that make all individuals from that culture more intelligent than another?

                    What if another culture's focus is on logistics, say for a hunter gatherer society? If they are evaluated on semantics, they may perform more poorly, while if evaluated on logistics, they will perform better.

                    The brain is capable of learning both primary systems of thought, yet if a member from one group is placed in the other, they must readapt to a system of thought that they did not grow up with, and in the process, they may be seen as less useful contributors to that culture.

                    While it is a redeeming and noble belief, and I can see why many Marxists, socialists, liberals and other democrat social butterflies like to believe in such things, it remains for the most part illusory. Modern culture has done a fine job in alleviating man from having to think about the importance of genes and blood. All of our information is carried and travels through our DNA which can only be inherited. While environmental factors can heighten or lessen this effect, they only act on what is or was originally there. They cannot create something else from what that person already is by blood. Communists believe otherwise, but history has already proven that biology trumps ideology.

                    The point, however, is that in the present world, the intelligent and cultivated population grows smaller and smaller than the unintelligent, low class, poor slobs. The government ensures that the low class continue breeding at exponential rates, while the intelligent couples have only one or two kids, at best, and none of the government benefits that is entitled to the poor. And the unintelligent, the poor, the criminal element rely on and become a strain on the intelligent ones. Society and civilization cannot function that way, and eventually spells doom since the productive and intelligent population has to more and more carry the weight of the poor and unintelligent.
                    Achkerov kute.

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