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  • #61
    Re: Who can call themselves Armenian?

    Originally posted by Anahita
    Do you know someone like that?
    You.
    Achkerov kute.

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    • #62
      Re: ????? ?????????

      I'm not making Armenian IDENTITY dependent on the government. All I'm saying is that we need a government in order to survive as a nation. A healthy government, that is. One that cares for us, gives us space and freedom to thrive.

      As to Armenians in Armenia, you clearly haven't met many of them actually living there as we speak. Most of those people are honest hard-working people who are DYING for a change to take place. With so much knowledge in the diaspora, we should be able to accelerate the process.

      And no, I don't think being armed is the way to go!

      And yes, I do think smaller governments are comparable to bigger ones, because I do not believe in anarchy. Never have, never will.

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      • #63
        Re: Who can call themselves Armenian?

        Originally posted by Anonymouse
        You.
        You don't know me very well.

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        • #64
          Re: ????? ?????????

          Originally posted by tunot
          I'm not making Armenian IDENTITY dependent on the government. All I'm saying is that we need a government in order to survive as a nation. A healthy government, that is. One that cares for us, gives us space and freedom to thrive.

          As to Armenians in Armenia, you clearly haven't met many of them actually living there as we speak. Most of those people are honest hard-working people who are DYING for a change to take place. With so much knowledge in the diaspora, we should be able to accelerate the process.
          I am not talking about your average hard working people. I am talking about the people who are the government.

          Originally posted by tunot
          And no, I don't think being armed is the way to go!
          That is sad for you then! Some of the worst injustices have befallen an unarmed populace by governments and only governments are capable of slaughter, destruction and war on a large scale.

          Originally posted by tunot
          And yes, I do think smaller governments are comparable to bigger ones, because I do not believe in anarchy. Never have, never will.
          It doesn't matter what you believe, but if you believe in the State and its power to coerce, then I consider you no different than the fascist bureaucrats who currently run Armenia.
          Achkerov kute.

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          • #65
            Re: Who can call themselves Armenian?

            Originally posted by Anahita
            You don't know me very well.
            I know enough to conclude you are a tree hugging environmentalist goon and your love of trees and animals surpasses your love of man, much less Armenians. Now be gone creature.
            Last edited by Anonymouse; 06-30-2006, 05:01 PM.
            Achkerov kute.

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            • #66
              Re: ????? ?????????

              Originally posted by Anonymouse
              I am not talking about your average hard working people. I am talking about the people who are the government.
              It is up to us to change that. To kick them out and replace them with a government that has a completely different mentality.

              That is sad for you then! Some of the worst injustices have befallen an unarmed populace by governments and only governments are capable of slaughter, destruction and war on a large scale.
              Some of the worst injustices have befallen on the people because of incompetent governments. We suffered a genocide, not because the Turks are such barbarians, but because we didn't even have a government, let alone a competent one! If we had had one since our great father Haik, the barbarian Turks would have never even dared looking beyond their steppes in Asia and you would not be in the process of assimilation in America right now.

              It doesn't matter what you believe, but if you believe in the State and its power to coerce, then I consider you no different than the fascist bureaucrats who currently run Armenia.
              I don't believe in coercion. Stop putting words into my mouth. As long as you keep repeating what you are repeating right now, all I can conclude is that you are still not getting what I'm saying.

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              • #67
                Re: Who can call themselves Armenian?

                Last edited by Anahita; 06-30-2006, 03:53 PM.

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                • #68
                  Re: ????? ?????????

                  Originally posted by tunot
                  It is up to us to change that. To kick them out and replace them with a government that has a completely different mentality.



                  Some of the worst injustices have befallen on the people because of incompetent governments. We suffered a genocide, not because the Turks are such barbarians, but because we didn't even have a government, let alone a competent one! If we had had one since our great father Haik, the barbarian Turks would have never even dared looking beyond their steppes in Asia and you would not be in the process of assimilation in America right now.



                  I don't believe in coercion. Stop putting words into my mouth. As long as you keep repeating what you are repeating right now, all I can conclude is that you are still not getting what I'm saying.

                  To support any government is to support coercion. There is no other way around it. Had the Armenians not had a slave mentality and had they all been armed to the teeth, there would be no genocide. And the Armenians in the Ottoman army simply handed their arms in!

                  Your explanation that because we suffered genocide was a lack of government is simplistic at best, and ignorant at worst. Not only do you negate the Turks blood lusting barbarian mentality and blood, but you once again tie Armenian identity and existence only to government.
                  Achkerov kute.

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                  • #69
                    Re: ????? ?????????

                    You said enough. Consider the discussion closed. I'm done.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Who can call themselves Armenian?

                      Who can call themselves Armenian?
                      Me
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