Sex before marriage

[TJ]

anonymouse do you realize that a virgin's vagina is tight? having sex for the first time "tears" the vagina slightly and it makes a big difference that is why men like virgins because they are tighter. sorry to get so graphic here but that is why girls cannot lie to their boyfriends telling them that they are virgins when htey are not, the guy should be able to tell.

[Artsakhtsi]

hi,

what i ment was ., the one who has had no sexual ACT whatsoeve= f--c
8)

what is f--c

oh, i'm sorry i ment f--k ops:

[Artsakhtsi]

anonymouse do you realize that a virgin's vagina is tight? having sex for the first time "tears" the vagina slightly and it makes a big difference that is why men like virgins because they are tighter. sorry to get so graphic here but that is why girls cannot lie to their boyfriends telling them that they are virgins when htey are not, the guy should be able to tell.

Ow, now i understand the main reason u prefering the virigins...
It does sound very egoistic of u..... i'm sorry to say this.Tight not tight ... that's the wrong thinking, .... it doesn't have to be about that, the main reason i wrote this topic... was to know how do u guys/girls think : is it realy fair to ask for a virgin, when u self r fooling around?!

Hej, why LIE? what's the point? Let him know- don't u like it- then go and find some virgin. To lie is stupid .

[Artsakhtsi]

I would prefer a virgin, but then again in this day and age it's fallacy.

These days everyone sleeps around whether out of love or soulless sex, it doesn't matter, and they turn around and lie to their new boyfriends that they are 'virgins'. It's all too common. Some girls are 'born again virgins' and some even have sex, yet in their sick demented mind some how convince themselves that they are still virgins and tell their next boyfriend that they are virgins. After all the lack of virgins these days goes hand in hand with the high divorce rate, and reflects the overall promiscious cultural lifestyle espoused by Hollywood movies, music and trendy pop culture.

So I don't care anymore I just wanna xxxx.

hi, thanx for answering.

Being non-virgin doesn't have to be equal to *sleep around* i mean why can't u have a normal relationship with a guy u love which includes sex? is it wrong? And it's not just about *xxxx* ....
it's more then that 8)

[ckBejug]

That's very true, what Artsakhtsi said. AND to a certain extent (perhaps within the bounadries of someone you're engaged to?) I agree with what omnicient said about sexual compatability, it plays a big part of life after marriage and as such should be explored because it would suck to find yourself married to someone you can't get along with in bed.

I think what mousie is talking about is those girls who sleep around with guys. Not the girls who sleep with the guy they are in love with, etc etc and it ends up not working out. I am sure tigran that he would be able to recognize when/if a girl was lying, so I don't think he needed the step by step how to figure that out guide! :?

So it seems we all want in our prospective mate someone who hasn't tended to sleep around too much and has had meaningful sex instead of just mindless f-ing, right?

At any rate, to each his own.

[Anonymouse]

anonymouse do you realize that a virgin's vagina is tight? having sex for the first time "tears" the vagina slightly and it makes a big difference that is why men like virgins because they are tighter. sorry to get so graphic here but that is why girls cannot lie to their boyfriends telling them that they are virgins when theey are not, the guy should be able to tell.

Tigran, you don't need to lecture me on how a girl is tight or not. If you are so trained with girls then you of all should know that girls do lie, just like guys. Unlike you they do not think in terms tightness, they have an "image" to uphold, and theyll make themselves believe they are virgins, it almost like the Emperors New Clothes. Now whether or not the guy later notices is his problem, but they lie. I don't say this because I'm making this up, I say this because it happens. Let it end there.

[Artsakhtsi]

hey Artsakhtsi,
i don't know what your stand on this subject was but you have to have sex before marriage. the physical part of a relationship is a huge factor.
if a couple gets married before having sex that could be trouble. because you dont know how the two of you will connect on the physical level. the chemistry might not be there. and i know a few marriages that just havent gone well at all because of the lack of "love making" or performing sexual acts, whatever you wanna call it. theres a lot of other reasons but i dont like typing essays on this thing like some people do religiously.

p.s. even though i've been a bad boy :twisted: , i would be ok with my future wife not being a virgin, even though i prefer virgin. but thats rare with girls nowadays too. as long as she hasnt been with too many guys then i wouldnt see a problem

Hi, thankyou for answering me!

The think is, that sex is an important part in marriage - let's face it. And like you said, it can be a trouble on that front, why put your self truth so much trouble, when u can avoid it., Then again it is everyones personal choise wether do it or not. The main problem is that we all do such a big deal of it :? lies, blamings..... hm

I personaly would accept the guy, as long as HE hasn't been with too many ...

[Anonymouse]

I would prefer a virgin, but then again in this day and age it's fallacy.

These days everyone sleeps around whether out of love or soulless sex, it doesn't matter, and they turn around and lie to their new boyfriends that they are 'virgins'. It's all too common. Some girls are 'born again virgins' and some even have sex, yet in their sick demented mind some how convince themselves that they are still virgins and tell their next boyfriend that they are virgins. After all the lack of virgins these days goes hand in hand with the high divorce rate, and reflects the overall promiscious cultural lifestyle espoused by Hollywood movies, music and trendy pop culture.

So I don't care anymore I just wanna xxxx.

hi, thanx for answering.

Being non-virgin doesn't have to be equal to *sleep around* i mean why can't u have a normal relationship with a guy u love which includes sex? is it wrong? And it's not just about *xxxx* ....
it's more then that 8)

I never said you can't. But this is a deviation from the traditional "christian" upbringing most Armenians are raised with. Then for all purposes we have to now drop religion and its tenets and instead conform to the new secular outlook on stuff. Marriage is just a social institution created by man, along with the "nuclear family", its again another part of mans aims to transcend his animality and give himself some nobleness. But marriage is artificial, only a state of mind, and a piece of paper. Take that away, a married "husband and wife" are no different than someone who is not married. Hell, Neanderthal man just used his woman for mating purposes.

[Artsakhtsi]

[quote="Anonymouse"]

I would prefer a virgin, but then again in this day and age it's fallacy.

These days everyone sleeps around whether out of love or soulless sex, it doesn't matter, and they turn around and lie to their new boyfriends that they are 'virgins'. It's all too common. Some girls are 'born again virgins' and some even have sex, yet in their sick demented mind some how convince themselves that they are still virgins and tell their next boyfriend that they are virgins. After all the lack of virgins these days goes hand in hand with the high divorce rate, and reflects the overall promiscious cultural lifestyle espoused by Hollywood movies, music and trendy pop culture.

So I don't care anymore I just wanna xxxx.

hi, thanx for answering.

Being non-virgin doesn't have to be equal to *sleep around* i mean why can't u have a normal relationship with a guy u love which includes sex? is it wrong? And it's not just about *xxxx* ....
it's more then that 8)

I never said you can't. But this is a deviation from the traditional "christian" upbringing most Armenians are raised with. Then for all purposes we have to now drop religion and its tenets and instead conform to the new secular outlook on stuff. Marriage is just a social institution created by man, along with the "nuclear family", its again another part of mans aims to transcend his animality and give himself some nobleness. But marriage is artificial, only a state of mind, and a piece of paper. Take that away, a married "husband and wife" are no different than someone who is not married.

No, we don't have to *drop religion* , we just can not follow Bibel at 100% ,as much as we want to, time is changing and u can not do anything about it..., unless we stop to develop (it's not a perfect solution).
We just gotta stop to think of sex as it it a sin, why can't we think of it as a beautiful act of love?! Well that's only if u r not fooling around with everyone u see , and don't care, coz the only think u want - is just f-ck!

I agree, the part about* image * , we were raised to not forget the fact,that we are armenins....and by knowing how ppl(including armos) ussualy looooove to gossip, we better be carefull.

[Artsakhtsi]

I would prefer a virgin, but then again in this day and age it's fallacy.

These days everyone sleeps around whether out of love or soulless sex, it doesn't matter, and they turn around and lie to their new boyfriends that they are 'virgins'. It's all too common. Some girls are 'born again virgins' and some even have sex, yet in their sick demented mind some how convince themselves that they are still virgins and tell their next boyfriend that they are virgins. After all the lack of virgins these days goes hand in hand with the high divorce rate, and reflects the overall promiscious cultural lifestyle espoused by Hollywood movies, music and trendy pop culture.

So I don't care anymore I just wanna xxxx.

hi, thanx for answering.

Being non-virgin doesn't have to be equal to *sleep around* i mean why can't u have a normal relationship with a guy u love which includes sex? is it wrong? And it's not just about *xxxx* ....
it's more then that 8)

I never said you can't. But this is a deviation from the traditional "christian" upbringing most Armenians are raised with. Then for all purposes we have to now drop religion and its tenets and instead conform to the new secular outlook on stuff. Marriage is just a social institution created by man, along with the "nuclear family", its again another part of mans aims to transcend his animality and give himself some nobleness. But marriage is artificial, only a state of mind, and a piece of paper. Take that away, a married "husband and wife" are no different than someone who is not married. Hell, Neanderthal man just used his woman for mating purposes.

No, we don't have to *drop religion* , we just can not follow Bibel at 100% ,as much as we want to, time is changing and u can not do anything about it..., unless we stop to develop (it's not a perfect solution).
We just gotta stop to think of sex as it it a sin, why can't we think of it as a beautiful act of love?! Well that's only if u r not fooling around with everyone u see , and don't care, coz the only think u want - is just f-ck!

I agree, the part about* image * , we were raised to not forget the fact,that we are armenins....and by knowing how ppl(including armos) ussualy looooove to gossip, we better be carefull.

**Hell, Neanderthal man just used his woman for mating purposes.[/quote]**

usED? past? most of man still does use women for mating purposes, maybe that's why guys ussualy compares sex to something dirty and sinful


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