Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

[Siggie]

Re: Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

You're assuming that the man who the woman was in a "monogamous" relationship with wasn't out performing the same acts A promiscuous woman can be with 10 men who were virgin while the woman who was in 1 or 2 relationships could have been with men who were dogs. See how it doesn't make a difference?

In a society with rigid "rules" for women only as you described, wouldn't lead to women doing this at the same rate as men.

But outside of this, yes, both sexes can be promiscuous. That's why it makes more sense to take a more case by case approach and look at the whole person instead of just making it "check this box if your hymen is intact."

This is a problematic way to tell a virgin anyway because not everyone has a hymen and not all hymens are broken with one instance of sex. So, there's a lovely error rate that will humiliate and break the heart of a girl who actually was a virgin and then claim another who wasn't was honorable.

What about my point that your sort of ideal society actually encourages more dishonesty?

[Siggie]

Re: Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

They are only lying to themselves just like women who get plastic surgery and "enhancements" done to their bodies.

Well yeah, but that's neither here nor there...
That wasn't the question...

"a woman who has sex inside a committed monogamous long-term relationship." - This is the definition of marriage.

A woman who believes this is acceptable prior to committing to a contract and later leaves the relationship has already shown to be incapable of being loyal, committed, faithful and does not take life seriously so why would a man sign a contract knowing a history of this belief and behaviour?

Ugh. You focus on a couple nit-picky thing again and ignore the whole point. It's not even like a premise is false and that's what you're pointing out.
That's your definition and that's, again, not relevant to the point.

So, what if she had a long-term committed relationship, but they didn't sleep together? That's not breaking an agreement of "we're going to be together"?
I think being in long-term relationships actually gives people a more realistic understanding of what it means to be in a relationship and when they eventually wed, they'll have a less romanticized understanding of the work involved.
Realistic expectations are a very good thing. I think generally when people know what they're getting into when they make the decision to pursue it, they have better outcomes.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

Let's assume we adjust the definition of loose women to actually apply to promiscuous women (less extreme standard)...
Wouldn't it be better for all to have education about sex and teach responsible practices, etc than to go on this way and have men go to the town wh0re or Russian prostitutes or whatever? Are the men not "dirty" in this scenario? Indiscriminate and reckless? They're going to go expose themselves to disease and then transmit it as a gift to their virgin bride on their wedding night? "Hey, baby... Wait til I show you the skills (and herpes) I picked up practicing with my favorite Russian prostitute " Give me a moment while I swoon at the romance and thoughtfulness.

You're assuming that the man who the woman was in a "monogamous" relationship with wasn't out performing the same acts A promiscuous woman can be with 10 men who were virgin while the woman who was in 1 or 2 relationships could have been with men who were dogs. See how it doesn't make a difference?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

And what does it encourage for the girls? Honesty? No... They are motivated to engage in practices that would leave the hymen intact. These are risky behaviors as well; we know anal is riskier and with oral people don't tend to use any protection. Then of course, they would deny any of this.
Then there's the other women who have their hymens surgically recreated... Either way, the outcome is denial and lies. And that works fine for them because all anyone's interested in is a bloody bed sheet.

They are only lying to themselves just like women who get plastic surgery and "enhancements" done to their bodies.

This kind of behavior is far more morally reprehensible than a woman who has sex inside a committed monogamous long-term relationship.

"a woman who has sex inside a committed monogamous long-term relationship." - This is the definition of marriage.

A woman who believes this is acceptable prior to committing to a contract and later leaves the relationship has already shown to be incapable of being loyal, committed, faithful and does not take life seriously so why would a man sign a contract knowing a history of this belief and behaviour?

[Siggie]

Re: Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

Prostitutes, you know, are too expensive (my friend told me that a session with Kim will cost you about $50,000) and too unsafe. Therefore there are no other affordable choices for the young boys to explore ...

$50,000 is cheap!!! The sucker that's "marrying" her paid a $1,000,000 just for the ring. He's 26 and a basketball player so it doesn't surprise me.... grown children getting paid to throw a ball into a net.

So a woman who has had sex at all (regardless of pattern of activity or circumstances) is cheap and basically good only as a cheap alternative to a prostitute? No, that's not an extreme view at all.

Let's assume we adjust the definition of loose women to actually apply to promiscuous women (less extreme standard)...
Wouldn't it be better for all to have education about sex and teach responsible practices, etc than to go on this way and have men go to the town wh0re or Russian prostitutes or whatever? Are the men not "dirty" in this scenario? Indiscriminate and reckless? They're going to go expose themselves to disease and then transmit it as a gift to their virgin bride on their wedding night? "Hey, baby... Wait til I show you the skills (and herpes) I picked up practicing with my favorite Russian prostitute " Give me a moment while I swoon at the romance and thoughtfulness.

Alternatively, some guys might recognize this risk, but a society that views premarital sex this way motivates unethical behavior for them too. It makes it a more appealing option to find a girl to "con" as Gegev described: promise to marry her, sleep with her, and then discard her like spent single-use batteries or something. And are these guys going to be honest about this?

And what does it encourage for the girls? Honesty? No... They are motivated to engage in practices that would leave the hymen intact. These are risky behaviors as well; we know anal is riskier and with oral people don't tend to use any protection. Then of course, they would deny any of this.
Then there's the other women who have their hymens surgically recreated... Either way, the outcome is denial and lies. And that works fine for them because all anyone's interested in is a bloody bed sheet.


This kind of behavior is far more morally reprehensible than a woman who has sex inside a committed monogamous long-term relationship.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

Prostitutes, you know, are too expensive (my friend told me that a session with Kim will cost you about $50,000) and too unsafe. Therefore there are no other affordable choices for the young boys to explore ...

$50,000 is cheap!!! The sucker that's "marrying" her paid a $1,000,000 just for the ring. He's 26 and a basketball player so it doesn't surprise me.... grown children getting paid to throw a ball into a net.

[gegev]

Re: Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

That's precisely the problem. They can only afford cheap women

Prostitutes, you know, are too expensive (my friend told me that a session with Kim will cost you about $50,000) and too unsafe. Therefore there are no other affordable choices for the young boys to explore ...

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

Some Armenian guys are going to Russia just for having several sex sessions with such girls.

And that's all the relationship!!!

That's precisely the problem. They can only afford cheap women

[gegev]

Re: Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

would any guys on this forum be ina serious relationship with someone who was not a virgin?

Most guys in Armenia will consider the "girl" as a cheep, not expensive, target of having sex free of charge, not marriage - 99%.

Asking this kind of questions in Armenia will put you in a ridiculous situation.


If you don't believe come and ask the question:
before having sex; the guy, if it is his first sex session, would promise to marry you,
but after that, you wouldn't see him any more or will be refused strictly.

Some Armenian guys are going to Russia just for having several sex sessions with such girls.

And that's all the relationship!!!

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

It's sad the most Armenian girls think though "oh im sure he'll love me more if im pure"...C'mon now, is this really what your parents have been bashing into your minds?? Say what you want, but making a girl believe sex before marriage is some outright sin, is just sad.

I know an Armenian guy that married a girl he knew because she was pregnant and the biological father left her. She wasn't Armenian but he chose to do something honorable and father the child. Perhaps he thought she would appreciate him down the road. For whatever reason, they are still married today (well over 10 years). Armenian men aren't necessarily hung up on virginity but the attitude that comes with being "rebellious" just in spite of their parents.