Strippers And You

[Anonymouse]

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Well, i suppose i still wouldn't hold it against her, b/c i know if i ever made some bad life altering decision i'd still want people to accept me and view me as me. It's not like she was a prostitute, (which i think some of you are confusing stripper with)and even if she was, i don't see what the problem is if she gave up her job, and was drug and std clean. To me it sounds like most of the people on here wouldn't date her b/c

1.She's a "xxxxx"
2. It's embarrassing
3. They'd be neurotic when thinking about all the things she's done before them.

As for whoring herself out, you all forget that the majority of the population is sexually active. There are 68 million current STD infections among Americans and 15.3 million new STD infections every year. So don't label. Just b/c one is a stripper or not a stripper does not mean they have an std.

And even the person you go out with is saintly and clean, who's to say she wasn't a "xxxxx" before she met you? like you're ever going to know if she or her friends and family don't tell you.

My naive chum, in this world we move about with labels and judgments. There is no other way and neither you nor I are immune from it. All our actions and thoughts and musings about people are judgments, whether expressed or repressed.

When you read and interact enough in this world, you learn that people "are who they are." In other words, we are what we are based on who are and who we are has resulted in the choices we've made. You and I cannot change that.

You presume that 'people change' as being the norm, when it in fact it is the exclusion to the rule. Most people do not become something other than what they are. This goes for strippers, as well as puritanical prissy prudes.

However, the issue here is one of stability. Those women who usually engage in the following lines of work: prostitution, stripping, adult industry, do not do so because it's something comfortable and easy money and because they really wanted to do that since they were kids. They do so because they have very little self-worth and believe they can sell their bodies and souls in the most extreme way because thats what they all will ever amount to.

As I said before, these people come with problems that neither you nor I can correct. They almost always come from a divorced home, or an abusive home, where someone was an alcoholic or drug user for a parent, or a physical abuser. They almost always have daddy issues, and they almost always have grown up in an environment with a lack of stability and childhood trauma. [You can not underestimate the importance of a proper father figure in a woman's life] This is why they can never establish normal relations with men and either have casual, fleeting or temporary and 'light' relationships, or they just don't, period. They instead engage in all sorts of lusty pleasures and make money.

We are the choices we have made and we are the sum of our memories. You and I cannot change that. Those of us that will never date a stripper do not do so because, unlike you - the enlightened one, who has learned to be comfortable with a girl who has had sex with someone other than us - we would rather not deal with all that baggage and drama and fundamental character differences.

[One-Way]

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Should women feel proud when they marry a guy, who's always been the "leader of the pack" and has had countless one night stands? Strippers are not even having sex, they're mainly getting felt up and giving lap dances, some clubs don't even allow touching, just watching. And so big deal, she got paid for it, who cares? As far as paying of bills go, if she has no other means for better pay, why shouldn't do it? It's not like the women working in strip joints have the credentials to be lawyers or something. Should she live her whole life in debt for the sake of dignity when she could be out of debt in a substantially shorter amount of time? I know many of them aren't paying of school, medical, and credit card bills, however some are.

Thanks for reading my other posts. Nice job.

[Anonymouse]

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Look, I don't need to be in there shoes. My family was piss poor for most of my life. Did that break up my parents marriage? Did that break up my family, my home? These strippers were probably better off than my family was years ago. It's no excuse, that's the end of my argument. Again, I don't know how it is in Armenia. Maybe it's like Tijuana, when I saw 13-year-old girls standing in front of a hooker house waiting to be hired... and they were. These angels have nowhere else to go? Would your mother or sister, hypothetically, turn to that type of life if they had faced similar consequences?

My main argument was about life in America. This sleezy bullshit is far too simple. These fake women think they're attractive and try to become models/actresses when they're all a condom away from becoming a stripper/pornstar. Most of these women, Armenians too, will throw away any loose morals they have for a shot at making some money. It's disgusting.

Quoted for truth.

[Sako]

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Originally Posted by Saco
When I shared that true story, I never said the girl was innocent.
And when I first made my post in this thread, I said I didn't read any previous posts.
And you aren’t the only person on this forum; I wasn’t talking only to you.
So??? There is no excuses to turning to that kind of life. That's no justification for what they do.

I don’t think you realize what I’m saying. Did I say what they did was right to the end? And when you say there is no justification for what they do, that’s entirely true. I’m not taking sides here I’m just saying that you’ve taken the route of blaming every girl out there with your eyes shut. Work with me here.

They have no morals.

Have no morals? Because they have sex with people, they have no morals? Or because they dance like, Ara said, they have no morals? I know people with great jobs, with hot cars, and houses that have almost no morals at all. My point is that EVERWHERE, there are good and bad people, moralistic and moralistic people, etc. EVERYWHERE, yes, even in the most unbelievable places. You have to differentiate or you just become a racist. Just because there are terrorists in Iraq, it doesn’t mean all Iraqis are terrorists. If you don’t get what I’m talking about then it’s pointless going on. I’m not looking for reasons to say their right. Just like killing a person isn’t right. How can you say it is? But what if that person was a burglar, you still killed him though. See where this is going? Differentiate and appreciate as well. Don’t just say their all scum. If they were, our man Vigilante here wouldn’t vigilantly grab that girl’s number and even worse, want to become friends with them. Of course, he may just want to play around but even then, it’s WRONG. Right??? Let’s look at it from your angle. Vig wants to become friends with her, after he becomes very close, you’ll have to start bombarding him saying there is no excuse. As far as I see it.

She was an angel in the end... Well, if she was such an angel and had some dignity, she would never take that route, no matter what.

Really? Well, clearly you have a lot to see in life. Do you know how many Armenians turned Turkish when the Turks captured them in the Genocide or “mass killings” like some put it? Now, they never went back to Armenia. They become better General’s then the Turks but out of fear, they never went back to Armenia, feeling remorse on their part. Many Armenians on the other hand, died. They would rather die then become Turkish citizens. I just presented you two sides of the story and I try to understand both. You don’t try to understand anything. You just jump in out of nowhere and call everyone a xxxxx. You know how many people say that the events of 1915 never happened? Not because they don’t want to believe it, but because they don’t know and don’t care really. They never put their feet into the shoes of Armenian mother’s crying over their children’s severed heads, they never thought of all that. Now, we as Armenians know of all that and fight forward. Now, we are almost like those same girls who no one cares really much about. You just blame them and thousands of people out there just think the Genocide didn’t happen. Is it justified that people don’t believe us? And finally, NOW, is it justified that you just call everyone a xxxxx? I don’t know how well you understood what I’m saying but here’s something else, much easier to understand. There are so many Turks that believe the Genocide happened and fight maybe more then us to see it accepted. Many Armenians don’t acknowledge that and say ALL Turks are bad. Is that justified? The same is in this case. Just because many girls willingly become prostitutes and strippers (for pleasure) doesn’t mean that everyone is like that.

She'd die on the streets if she had nowhere to go. If I had nowhere to go, as a guy, and nothing to do with my life -- would I resort to selling drugs?

No, you might resort to something else. There are people with different capacities and trust me my friend, if, God forbid, you fall into a situation where you really don’t have anything to do, you’ll be surprised what you would do to live. Why do you think so many burglars, thieves, dealers, etc. exist? Do you think they really were all devils in the beginning? They were born drug dealers and xxxxxs? Thousands were more strict then you. They had more morals then you could probably name. Life has a way of turning your head around; forcing you to do things you never thought you would. This world is the perfect school, it teaches you the lessons and then you start to realize what all those morals really meant. So again, bro, don’t judge or you will be judged. I talk from experience. I’m a guy just like you but I criticized on really small issues and soon realized how powerful that weapon is and what happens after that, on many occasions. It has to be used cautiously, not hastily with hate and malice. We all know how that ends. Try to look at what I’m saying without thinking I’m saying your wrong and you’ll look at this in a new light.

Could I live with myself, doing that? Become a drug dealer, possibly a drug addict. I rather hold up a coffee cup and ask for spare change.

You rather would, but that’s not what always happens. Let me tell you an aphorism you should never forget. A person once said he didn’t drink but there was no wine on the table to drink whatsoever. When there is wine on the table and THEN you don’t drink, we’ll know you don’t drink. When the opportunity is there, your mind works in a different way. You might not become a drug dealer but you’ll do something and it’s definitely not drinking a cup of coffee. I wish it would be that way though. And remember, many can’t even BUY a freakin cup of coffee.

I can't look at these people differently. I don't know about Armenia, but in America, there is no excuse.

True, America is a very mixed up country but that doesn’t mean we Armenians are saints. I Know a few people by hearing about them that they willingly cam from the village and saw how behind they were from the real world and began going to clubs and all. She had the opportunity to live properly but she wanted to simply party. Now her, I can’t really accept it at all but I don’t criticize her because I have no idea who she is. Why should I criticize her? I can’t take it but I don’t even HAVE to take it.

The least they can do here is get a job at a fast food place. Stripping is the easy way out, so is prostitution and drug dealing. It's one and the same for me. Sorry to break it you.

Sorry to break it to you bro, but nowadays, unless you aren’t from this world, even that’s not possible. You know how many people have tried and tried? Have you seen Fun with xxxx and Jane? It’s a funny movie, mad me fall on the floor with laughter but in the end, I felt terrible. That really is how bad times are. It depicted what real life is really like. They were honest people, maybe more honest then us, but life forced them out of it. What they did was wrong but right as well. I don’t think after you watched that movie, you said “JUSTICE MUST BE SERVED” wearing your Captain America suite.
Look, I don't need to be in there shoes. My family was piss poor for most of my life. Did that break up my parent’s marriage? Did that break up my family, my home?

No, but it broke theirs and going with the “We are Heroes” ploy isn’t working real well, bro. You have no idea how difficult life really is, neither of us really appreciate it. Those families that went through it are great, really, but those that couldn’t doesn’t make them terrible families from hell. And when you say that, it pains me. I’ve heard and seen how difficult it can be to live, not always but I’ve had my own share. My family is one of the families that have been all over the world and have seen both bright and dim days. I’ve seen, not to be bragging, more then most people could see maybe in a lifetime or maybe a few. I’ve learned my morals quick and there are still many to learn. Criticizing is the key to losing all your morals, bro. A moral isn’t simply words and when you say people don’t have morals it shows how few you have and forces people to question who you really are. I’m not saying you’re a bad person, you might be a better person then me, but one bad side could make people forget about all the other good talents and qualities.

These strippers were probably better off than my family was years ago. It's no excuse, that's the end of my argument.

I doubt it but yeah, everything is possible in this world, let’s not, me AND you forget that.

Again, I don't know how it is in Armenia. Maybe it's like Tijuana, when I saw 13-year-old girls standing in front of a hooker house waiting to be hired... and they were. These angels have nowhere else to go? Would your mother or sister, hypothetically, turn to that type of life if they had faced similar consequences?

You look at life like an algorithm. You do this, that happens, that is done, this happens. First of all, I would go begging, I would do anything if I knew my family was in such a terrible state. Many families and girls don’t have supporters like a brother or someone to look up to, what do they do? They are mostly the girls that are urged to standing in red light districts. You think they would willingly go there? Life has pushed them, literally pushed, and I feel sorry for them. I don’t say their isn’t an excuse, I don’t criticize them, I don’t call them xxxxxes, because I try to put my feet in their shoes. Before saying or doing anything, put your feet into a person’s shoes and then remark or act. If you can’t understand even after doing so, don’t say anything. Those that willingly take the route to porn, to prostitution, to stripping, we can talk a bit, showing our disgust to some extent but not by calling everyone a xxxxx or a xxxxx.

My main argument was about life in America. This sleezy bullxxxx is far too simple. These fake women think they're attractive and try to become models/actresses when they're all a condom away from becoming a stripper/pornstar. Most of these women, Armenians too, will throw away any loose morals they have for a shot at making some money. It's disgusting.

And we can talk about them but not throw everyone into the same pit. I think we’re on the same page now.

[MrHyeSev]

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Im sure all of us have gone to a strip club during our lifetime, but its just a waste of money & time. No one that works there really likes you, they just like the money you have. Majority of them are dirty.

[Sako]

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Great answer Pepsi, properly said.

[One-Way]

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I’m just saying that you’ve taken the route of blaming every girl out there with your eyes shut. Work with me here.

I'm not blaming every girl out there. I'm just telling you how I feel about women who become strippers.

Have no morals? Because they have sex with people, they have no morals? Or because they dance like, Ara said, they have no morals? I know people with great jobs, with hot cars, and houses that have almost no morals at all. My point is that EVERWHERE, there are good and bad people, moralistic and moralistic people, etc. EVERYWHERE, yes, even in the most unbelievable places. You have to differentiate or you just become a racist. Just because there are terrorists in Iraq, it doesn’t mean all Iraqis are terrorists. If you don’t get what I’m talking about then it’s pointless going on. I’m not looking for reasons to say their right. Just like killing a person isn’t right. How can you say it is? But what if that person was a burglar, you still killed him though. See where this is going? Differentiate and appreciate as well. Don’t just say their all scum. If they were, our man Vigilante here wouldn’t vigilantly grab that girl’s number and even worse, want to become friends with them. Of course, he may just want to play around but even then, it’s WRONG. Right??? Let’s look at it from your angle. Vig wants to become friends with her, after he becomes very close, you’ll have to start bombarding him saying there is no excuse. As far as I see it.

Did I say because they've had sex with people that they have no morals? So you think, that I think, every girl who is not a virgin has no morals. Right? No. I'm saying these strippers, who are in the same boat as prostitutes, have no morals... because they sell their bodies, they give lapdances... they are, essentially, doing anything for money. I've heard so many stories, from people I don't know to people I do know, about giving strippers some extra money for some extra action. Come on, strippers are a form of prostitutes, whether you can admit it or not.

I'm not racist and don't look at people the way you claim. I'm born in Jordan, buddy, so don't go pulling the race card on me and me thinking other people are terrorists. I know what discrimination and racism are. It doesn't take a genius to realize strippers have problems and no one in the right state of mind would do what they do.

Really? Well, clearly you have a lot to see in life. Do you know how many Armenians turned Turkish when the Turks captured them in the Genocide or “mass killings” like some put it? Now, they never went back to Armenia. They become better General’s then the Turks but out of fear, they never went back to Armenia, feeling remorse on their part. Many Armenians on the other hand, died. They would rather die then become Turkish citizens. I just presented you two sides of the story and I try to understand both. You don’t try to understand anything. You just jump in out of nowhere and call everyone a xxxxx. You know how many people say that the events of 1915 never happened? Not because they don’t want to believe it, but because they don’t know and don’t care really. They never put their feet into the shoes of Armenian mother’s crying over their children’s severed heads, they never thought of all that. Now, we as Armenians know of all that and fight forward. Now, we are almost like those same girls who no one cares really much about. You just blame them and thousands of people out there just think the Genocide didn’t happen. Is it justified that people don’t believe us? And finally, NOW, is it justified that you just call everyone a xxxxx? I don’t know how well you understood what I’m saying but here’s something else, much easier to understand. There are so many Turks that believe the Genocide happened and fight maybe more then us to see it accepted. Many Armenians don’t acknowledge that and say ALL Turks are bad. Is that justified? The same is in this case. Just because many girls willingly become prostitutes and strippers (for pleasure) doesn’t mean that everyone is like that.

You're bringing up two very different topics. Hating every Turk because of the Armenian Genocide is a very different story. I just have to say this, I don't want to hear the stories of these strippers. I don't care how they came to that point in life. Abusive father? No money? Paying off loans? What I'm trying to say is there is no excuse. There is absolute no excuse to turn to stripping/prostitution/porn. It's the easy way out in life. Most of these strippers, by the way, are also pill poppers/drug users and are messed up in their head.

I've seen and heard enough stories to form my own opinion about them. There is simply no excuse for their behavior. No matter what point they have reached in life, they could have done something else to survive. Work at McDonald's, for one. But these girls rather make a couple thousand more by revealing their bodies. Do you actually, honestly, believe these strippers become loving mothers and form a stable and healthy family? Don't bring up your angel friend.

No, you might resort to something else. There are people with different capacities and trust me my friend, if, God forbid, you fall into a situation where you really don’t have anything to do, you’ll be surprised what you would do to live. Why do you think so many burglars, thieves, dealers, etc. exist? Do you think they really were all devils in the beginning? They were born drug dealers and xxxxxs? Thousands were more strict then you. They had more morals then you could probably name. Life has a way of turning your head around; forcing you to do things you never thought you would. This world is the perfect school, it teaches you the lessons and then you start to realize what all those morals really meant. So again, bro, don’t judge or you will be judged. I talk from experience. I’m a guy just like you but I criticized on really small issues and soon realized how powerful that weapon is and what happens after that, on many occasions. It has to be used cautiously, not hastily with hate and malice. We all know how that ends. Try to look at what I’m saying without thinking I’m saying your wrong and you’ll look at this in a new light.

WOW. You're basically justifying drug dealers/burglars/thieves. You're saying if I fall into a similiar situation, I'll become one of these. If times are so hard, and I have no means to survive, you can bet I'd die in the streets. I wouldn't turn to any of those things, in no situation whatsoever. Are you kidding me? I can't even believe you.

Life won't force me to do things. Unless a gun is being pointed to my head and someone tells me go rob a bank or we'll kill your family, I won't be doing it. These people don't have guns pointed to their heads, THEY'RE MAKING THIS DECISION ON THEIR OWN. Most of these people aren't backed into a life threatening corner where they have to strip to survive. MOST OF THESE WOMEN ARE DOING IT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

So you think every stripper strips and then quits when she can? And every pornstar quits when she makes enough money? That's basically what you're saying.

Sorry to break it to you bro, but nowadays, unless you aren’t from this world, even that’s not possible. You know how many people have tried and tried? Have you seen Fun with xxxx and Jane? It’s a funny movie, mad me fall on the floor with laughter but in the end, I felt terrible. That really is how bad times are. It depicted what real life is really like. They were honest people, maybe more honest then us, but life forced them out of it. What they did was wrong but right as well. I don’t think after you watched that movie, you said “JUSTICE MUST BE SERVED” wearing your Captain America suite.

Okay, so if I lose my job and my home one day, I'll become a drug dealer. Mainly because if life becomes too bad, I'll always have that to fall back on. Right?

You look at life like an algorithm. You do this, that happens, that is done, this happens. First of all, I would go begging, I would do anything if I knew my family was in such a terrible state. Many families and girls don’t have supporters like a brother or someone to look up to, what do they do? They are mostly the girls that are urged to standing in red light districts. You think they would willingly go there? Life has pushed them, literally pushed, and I feel sorry for them. I don’t say their isn’t an excuse, I don’t criticize them, I don’t call them xxxxxes, because I try to put my feet in their shoes. Before saying or doing anything, put your feet into a person’s shoes and then remark or act. If you can’t understand even after doing so, don’t say anything. Those that willingly take the route to porn, to prostitution, to stripping, we can talk a bit, showing our disgust to some extent but not by calling everyone a xxxxx or a xxxxx.

I don't put my feet in their shoes, they chose to be there. Making the decision that she has nothing else to do but strip already gives me the opportunity to criticize her if I want. That's not the only choice in life. Don't bring up other countries simply because I can't say they can go here or there. However, no girl should ever consider doing such a thing. I don't want to keep repeating myself. You think what they're doing is okay because they were forced to do it. I don't think so. I think the decision was theirs.

And we can talk about them but not throw everyone into the same pit. I think we’re on the same page now.

No, we're not on the same page.

[Anonymouse]

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I don't see how anyone can argue against One-Way's point that these are all volitional acts these strippers are engaging in. At no point do they not have a choice.

Sorry.

[Sako]

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I'm not blaming every girl out there.

It definitely seemed like it. And if you read your reply this time, you’ll realize the difference between how you were talking a little while back and now. You learn fast, we ARE on the same page, you just think I’m saying everyone is an angel. You clearly don’t get why I shared that story with you all. My point was that there is good everywhere, maybe in small doses, maybe big, but we shouldn’t just say that they all had great opportunities to live but didn’t take them. It’s offending, really. If you were talking only towards those who DID do it that way, I’m with you bro, to some extent, I’m not taking sides with the strippers over you, we’re not enemies here, it makes me laugh. There’s a way to say something. With one sentence you could say many things, without realizing it even. When you came in, I immediately got the impression that you would gladly eliminate every stripper in the world and I wanted you to realize that some aren’t angels but didn’t do it because of pleasure or something. There’s a difference. If you still don’t get what I’m saying, I’m really talking to a robot then. Don’t be so fast to reply, just wait for a few seconds, read.

Did I say because they've had sex with people that they have no morals? So you think, that I think, every girl who is not a virgin has no morals. Right?

Wrong, Dude, I didn’t even say the word VIRGIN. I said that you think strippers don’t have any morals. Ara said it really clear back there. Many don’t even get touched. Yes, it’s an ugly job, but I don’t even THINK of comparing it to prostitution.

No. I'm saying these strippers, who are in the same boat as prostitutes, have no morals... because they sell their bodies, they give lapdances... they are, essentially, doing anything for money.

I agree with you completely. Now we’re on the same boat. You do learn fast. This is what I wanted you to say. Good job, you did it. It takes more then ten posts for some.

I've heard so many stories, from people I don't know to people I do know, about giving strippers some extra money for some extra action. Come on, strippers are a form of prostitutes, whether you can admit it or not.

A much, much, much better form. Some definitely have a few morals and future plans. Many look at stripping as a form of dance. Dirty dancing I guess is a bit close to it but hell no, it’s not the same thing, this is still normal.

I'm not racist and don't look at people the way you claim. I'm born in Jordan, buddy, so don't go pulling the race card on me and me thinking other people are terrorists.

So you think I’m here to call you a racist and because of a couple of strippers? I wasn’t calling you anything, I was saying that the way you said it all in the beginning left a different impression. Don’t try to prove me wrong, bro, un-required and impossible. Your tone in THIS post is much better.

I know what discrimination and racism are. It doesn't take a genius to realize strippers have problems and no one in the right state of mind would do what they do.

And some of those problems are very difficult if not impossible to deal with. You clearly haven’t been to India. When you do? You’re view on not strippers but life will be much more different. Making a powerful statement requires backing it up bro, that’s what I’m saying, and your tone shows you aren’t afraid to say what you want. I admire that. I feel it isn’t only in the case of strippers that you like to speak your mind that’s why I’m saying all this. An enemy would never take this much time to explain all I’m saying. Speech is a very powerful weapon and using it unfairly or un-carefully could lead to people not understanding what you are saying clearly. You don’t have to be a genius to understand what you were trying to say but I saw something unwanted in that message and that’s why I took my time to write all this. Many just read over it and understand your primary thought but your secondary thought is more powerful, it leaves a much more powerful impression that led to this. We are on the same page, we just say the same thing in different ways.

You're bringing up two very different topics. Hating every Turk because of the Armenian Genocide is a very different story. I just have to say this, I don't want to hear the stories of these strippers. I don't care how they came to that point in life. Abusive father? No money? Paying off loans? What I'm trying to say is there is no excuse. There is absolute no excuse to turn to stripping/prostitution/porn. It's the easy way out in life. Most of these strippers, by the way, are also pill poppers/drug users and are messed up in their head.

Actually, it isn’t as different as you think. Many Turks hate us just like you hate the strippers. You don’t want to hear a thing about them. Neither do they want to hear a thing about us mainly because we won’t give up and keep turning ALL of them into evil monsters. When you tell them that there are tons of Armenians who confront the Genocide issue differently, they might not believe you just like you don’t want to believe that there are different strippers out there. When I say something, One-Way, I always say more then one thing. Now do you see what I was saying? I agree on your view and disliking strippers is your choice, I don’t like them either, but hating and mocking is completely different. When you gave your view above, it seems you just don’t like them and what they do, you don’t want to look at the ball from any side. You just hate them. Hate is a strong word and feeling and the way you put I DON’T CARE is like if they were all killed by chance, you’d be doing the Qochari. I’m sure that isn’t the case, bro, but your words can only show us who you are. We don’t see you we can only talk in words so we have to be extra careful what we’re trying to say and how we say it. You could be drinking a cup of coffee, typing out a pair of sentences with peaceful intentions but your words will say maybe the complete opposite if you aren’t careful. I hope you get my point.

I've seen and heard enough stories to form my own opinion about them. There is simply no excuse for their behavior. No matter what point they have reached in life, they could have done something else to survive. Work at McDonald's, for one.

Dude, you really love McDonalds, hahaha. I get your point but you really need to see more before saying that, AGAIN. Hate me, if you want, but I’ve gone through all your thinking more then once and I got the answers. That’s why I’m saying all this to you. If you still think I’m trying to call you a terrorist or a racist, I don’t want to talk to you for another second.

But these girls rather make a couple thousand more by revealing their bodies. Do you actually, honestly, believe these strippers become loving mothers and form a stable and healthy family? Don't bring up your angel friend.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Man, that paragraph is freakin golden. First off, I don’t even know that “angel” and neither do I want to. Things like that are rare and what I wanted you to do is talk in their favor, as well. I just wanted to tell the other side of the story. It seemed everyone was looking at it from one side. What you described above are girls who willingly throw their lives away. That’s true and I’m with you bro. You used your keyboard to your favor. Now, what you said really SAID what you wanted to say. And I never said that those women end up becoming great moms. That’s very, very rare but I said rare, make a note of that. I didn’t say impossible. It’s unlikely nowadays though but as long as there are boys that goggle at girls, things like that might happen. Love and lust are weird feelings.

WOW. You're basically justifying drug dealers/burglars/thieves. You're saying if I fall into a similiar situation, I'll become one of these. If times are so hard, and I have no means to survive, you can bet I'd die in the streets.

You must have a keg in your ears. I said that everyone is right in their own way. I didn’t say they aren’t criminals anymore, did I? I neither said that you would become one of them. I meant that you would do many things you didn’t think you would. There are many roads in this world. Dying isn’t as easy as you think. You don’t just fall on the streets and die, haha. You know how many families have been ruined? I gave those examples because they are real. They happen everyday. People with great families suddenly face a situation that they can’t face maybe because of where they are. Perhaps McDonalds, our savior, doesn’t exist in their specific region in America or the world? There are people who have tried everything as hard as you may not want to accept it. You know what not knowing what to do feel’s like? Your mind doesn’t work like it always does. You know how many movies and real life events have proven this? That’s why we’re blessed and cursed. That’s why they call us humans. You don’t talk a lot from experience and that’s why what you say seems … a bit dry.

I wouldn't turn to any of those things, in no situation whatsoever. Are you kidding me? I can't even believe you.

No offense, but you sort of sound like a kid who says he’ll never fall in love and is disgusted from girls. When he grows up, he looks at life from a completely different angle. I’m not saying you’re a kid but what you just said is something you saw in a dream. You throw life into boundaries as much as you don’t agree with me. Also, I said different people have different capacities. And for the last time, One-Way, I never said you would turn evil. There are many things you wouldn’t do, that could be cleaning toilets for crying out loud. Doing the unimaginable doesn’t mean you’ll do drugs. You really want to prove me wrong.

Life won't force me to do things. Unless a gun is being pointed to my head and someone tells me go rob a bank or we'll kill your family, I won't be doing it.

Life is the gun pointing to your head. A much more dangerous gun. This sentence doesn’t mean I’m justifying all the criminals in the world. I’m justifying what those criminals were before becoming criminals. You can’t just open the end of the book, read the last lines and understand the entire story. One story could be about a criminal who killed for money, another could be a story about a criminal who stole some money when his family was starving to death and had nowhere to go at all. In court, the criminal who killed for money would get a much longer sentence then the other criminal.

These people don't have guns pointed to their heads, THEY'RE MAKING THIS DECISION ON THEIR OWN. Most of these people aren't backed into a life threatening corner where they have to strip to survive. MOST OF THESE WOMEN ARE DOING IT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

Now THAT’S what you were trying to say. You said the right words for the second time. Great job. Now I agree 108% with you.

So you think every stripper strips and then quits when she can? And every pornstar quits when she makes enough money? That's basically what you're saying.
That’s basically what your mind is saying.

Okay, so if I lose my job and my home one day, I'll become a drug dealer. Mainly because if life becomes too bad, I'll always have that to fall back on. Right?

What, drugs are the only objects in this world? You might do something morally degrading, not necessarily become a criminal. But yeah, drugs will never just disappear that doesn’t mean you’ll become a drug dealer though. Stop looking for a catchy phrase to answer.

I don't put my feet in their shoes, they chose to be there. Making the decision that she has nothing else to do but strip already gives me the opportunity to criticize her if I want. That's not the only choice in life. Don't bring up other countries simply because I can't say they can go here or there.

Some countries really don’t but those that have a normal chance or job offer to not strip then yeah, they made a wrong a choice and we can say something but still, not with malice and hate. It’s like, if you don’t study well at college and just give up, everyone will start looking at you degradingly and saying you made the choice. Maybe your teachers were dumb-asses, maybe everyone was picking on you, maybe your parents didn’t want you to go there anymore and pulled you out half way through. What if no one would listen to what you were saying, whatsoever? A guy who wouldn’t study because he just wanted to hang out and date everyone on campus deserves some criticism but comparing him with every kid having trouble on campus would be wrong.

However, no girl should ever consider doing such a thing. I don't want to keep repeating myself. You think what they're doing is okay because they were forced to do it. I don't think so. I think the decision was theirs.

All the girls that are strippers and prostitutes, or just those that really chose the field? No girl should even imagine those lines of work. It didn’t even exist a few centuries ago. I haven’t been to a strip club although I’ve seen lots of movies, real life strips on TV and all but I couldn’t care less. It’s just a body. I don’t even consider going even once. It’s a waste of my time but neither do I say it’s impossible, who knows what’ll happen in life, what the circumstances will be? I’ll always keep my morals up and always do what is right but the second you become over confident, life throws you into different tests. If you can pass them, you’ve got balls, if not? Well, let’s just say the guy in the forums was right. Criticism and not liking something are different things and life isn’t as simple as you imagine it, keep that in mind next time you write, which you won’t be able to do until you put yourself in someone else’s shoes and open your eyes further then you usually do. Life isn’t a game.

And we can talk about them but not throw everyone into the same pit. I think we’re on the same page now.
No, we're not on the same page.

We were and we are now, officially, unless you still have an objection.

[One-Way]

Re: Strippers And You

I don't want to go back and forth, Saco. I don't want to object, I don't want to start another debate with the same topic being thrown around.

I believe every stripper, just like every drug dealer and criminal, made the decision to do what they're doing now. I don't feel sorry for them or the way they are treated. I don't care for the child molestors or why they became that way. I don't care if they had no other route to take in life and had to resort to robbing people.

In the end, these people all had a decision to make. Should I steal? Should I kill? Should I strip? They all chose their life and it's because of their decision that they're doing what they do. Every stripper does what she does because she made the choice to be there. She could have easily objected against it herself. She did not.