Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

[jgk3]

Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

Do you think this is more prevalent in French culture?

I think this is prevalent worldwide, wherever homosexuality is a taboo. The opportunities for recognizing one's own sexuality, and accepting it, perhaps differ from culture to culture, and within a culture, could different between generations.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

I think this is prevalent worldwide, wherever homosexuality is a taboo. The opportunities for recognizing one's own sexuality, and accepting it, perhaps differ from culture to culture, and within a culture, could different between generations.

Culturally, the French mindset is far more liberal and they are known to cultivate this behaviour in their society. At least, I'm not aware of it being taboo among French society.

[jgk3]

Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

Culturally, the French mindset is far more liberal and they are known to cultivate this behaviour in their society. At least, I'm not aware of it being taboo among French society.

Within any society, you have liberals and conservatives. I suppose the French, especially Quebecers, are more liberal as a whole (maybe a better term would be, more "tolerant") concerning sexual practices and marriage than Armenians, if that's what you're trying to say. Half of Quebecers don't end up getting married, they "shack up" together, and having children out of wedlock is not at all obscene for many families. To illustrate an example, one Quebec woman I know from my parents' generation, made a big point about how she got married in a church, almost as a status thing vis a vis what's common in Quebec culture. She said, "It's good to keep the culture of our parents alive".

But you still have generational differences, I'm sure homosexuality is more commonly seen as a taboo by your generation, whether English Canadian or French Canadian, than it is by mine. Though non-marital sex became accepted in the 60s and 70s and had implications for the majority of the Quebecois demographic, homosexual issues have always been a fringe matter, not really affecting the population at large in how they grew up. This distance between homosexuals and heterosexuals (or more technically, between those who identify as heterosexuals and non-heterosexuals) naturally leads to non-heterosexuals to band together to create their own communities, since they lack adequate support and feelings of being normal by the population at large. This is precisely what happens with Armenians who form these stigmatized LGBT communities in the diaspora. This is probably less possible in Armenia proper, since the government and the population are allied in an attitude that cracks down on such stigmas, whereas in the West, since WWI these stigmas have come out, at times more strongly than others, to clash with the conservative Christian values that Armenians basically still cling onto whenever they dismiss such things.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

Within any society, you have liberals and conservatives. I suppose the French, especially Quebecers, are more liberal as a whole (maybe a better term would be, more "tolerant") concerning sexual practices and marriage than Armenians, if that's what you're trying to say. Half of Quebecers don't end up getting married, they "shack up" together, and having children out of wedlock is not at all obscene for many families. But you still have generational differences, I'm sure homosexuality is more commonly seen as a taboo by your generation, whether English Canadian or French Canadian, than it is by mine.

Well, conservatives generally conserve their own culture so a French conservative in essence should support liberal ideals. It's a culture that generally works for them because everyone is accustomed to it and the state is socialist so the citizens generally work for the state and the state provides for the citizens.

[jgk3]

Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

Well, conservatives generally conserve their own culture so a French conservative in essence should support liberal ideals. It's a culture that generally works for them because everyone is accustomed to it and the state is socialist so the citizens generally work for the state and the state provides for the citizens.

Maybe.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

This distance between homosexuals and heterosexuals (or more technically, between those who identify as heterosexuals and non-heterosexuals) naturally leads to non-heterosexuals to band together to create their own communities, since they lack adequate support and feelings of being normal by the population at large. This is precisely what happens with Armenians who form these stigmatized LGBT communities in the diaspora. This is probably less possible in Armenia proper, since the government and the population are allied in an attitude that cracks down on such stigmas, whereas in the West, since WWI these stigmas have come out, at times more strongly than others, to clash with the conservative Christian values that Armenians basically still cling onto whenever they dismiss such things.

Think of it like this.... A heterosexual male doesn't go to a homosexual bar to meet women. A heterosexual isn't going to accept sexual advances from a homosexual. People eventually distance themselves and separate into groups that they fit into. It's just a natural order that takes place. Who created the "gay" community and separated themselves? It's just that people feel more comfortable around people they can relate to.

[Tali]

Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

I didn't really want to post in this thread but am I inferring correctly that you were a hooker?

No. Hookers sleep with their clients.
Escorts literally escort (lead around). I went to parties and so forth. I was the "date" for someone who didn't have one. A lot of my 'clients' were college students going to office parties.
Companion was for the elderly. I visited senior citizens in homes who didn't have any visitors.

joking right?

Not at all.

Vivid imagination this one....

Unfortunately, I'm not joking.

I'm bisexual too. I always had difficulty exploring it, I even hated myself for it in the past because I've been afraid of the reproach I'd get from others. But what I've gone through isn't fair, and I think that's reason enough for me to talk about it.

*hug* it is really hard =/ I still get attacked for it.

[Tali]

Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

Think of it like this.... A heterosexual male doesn't go to a homosexual bar to meet women. A heterosexual isn't going to accept sexual advances from a homosexual. People eventually distance themselves and separate into groups that they fit into. It's just a natural order that takes place. Who created the "gay" community and separated themselves? It's just that people feel more comfortable around people they can relate to.

Often though, just like descendants of slaves in America, they often banded together because it was "safer in numbers" from the violence that was showed to them.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

Often though, just like descendants of slaves in America, they often banded together because it was "safer in numbers" from the violence that was showed to them.

If that is the reason, is that also why they shoot and murder each other instead of their ex slave owners and most try to get out to better neighborhoods to escape their own culture? Safety is usually among the wealthier neighbourhoods. Most often, those without offspring are usually better off financially.

[Odar]

Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

Well, conservatives generally conserve their own culture so a French conservative in essence should support liberal ideals

It depends on what you consider as your own culture. Generally, a conservative, even in France, doesn't really approve non-conformist sexuality and won't vote for gay marriage or stuff but in a "don't ask don't tell" way, unlike the reactionary who condemns it right away and more often than not uses insults against non-heterosexuals and their supporters (as many Italian government members like to do, for example).


@Tali: escort has become an euphemism for call girl, so when you say you've been an escort/masseuse... well some people may misunderstand you