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  • #41
    Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

    Originally posted by Odar View Post
    Gay people are not funded by anyone, either. I thought we were talking about causes.
    That's not true either
    http://www.freedomtomarry.org/

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    • #42
      Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

      Originally posted by Tali View Post
      However, some did. I'm not going to say all. I do not doubt your knowledge of history. The underground 'railroad' helped those with social inequality try to get to more equal treatment. It wasn't complete. (It still isn't for ANY race) but it was an attempt. In fact, the issue of slavery first appeared back when we were even writing our Constitution after our failed Articles of Confederation. We compromised that we cannot pass legislation that would negatively affect slavery for at least 20 years. Then, after 20 years, we passed legislation that stated we can no longer import slaves. That's when the South retaliated by then saying all children of children are slaves and so forth...

      As for education, I'm certain you're aware of Brown v. Board of Education cases of 1954 and 1956/8; particularly growing up in the Detroit area. I wasn't disagreeing that there is no inequality towards racial groups. I am saying there still are successful blacks (*cough* the current President of the United States) that aren't basketball players or certain stereotypes attached to them.

      The whole thing about the 'basic rights of humanity' has always and will forever be debated. There's even two different terms for them: civil rights versus civil liberties. That last bit about people eventually breaking free really intrigues me. For you see, I don't think people ever are really "free." That it's impossible -- though I may have an entirely different definition of "free" than you may have.
      Well my point was, that the years of slavery simply cannot be "fixed" by saying - ok, you're free to go now. We've used you to get REALLY wealthy so we no longer need your services. See, I don't think it works like that. I think there should be reparations including land and money for the generations of abuse. The wealthy should have been punished for what they did. At least, if I was black and had influence in America, that's what I would be working for. It seems to me Obama doesn't have the same vision. He wasn't raised as a member of real black advocacy groups like Black Panther party.

      Originally posted by Tali View Post
      Sorry KanadaHye, but have you heard of NOM?
      http://www.nationformarriage.org/sit....BEC6/Home.htm
      No I haven't but I like this:

      "Gays and Lesbians have a right to live as they choose,
      they don't have the right to redefine marriage for all of us."

      Seriously, what IS it that people want? It seems to me, they want the same tax breaks and health care benefits that heterosexual married couples get. Guess what, the ugly single woman or ugly single man who can't find a mate doesn't get any tax breaks either, where is the equality?!?! I can see the issue government has here which is, straight males can easily be roommates and receive the benefits of same sex marriage all the while being playboys.

      So soon as government removes these tax breaks and marriage privileges, that would put a huge sinker on marriage in America. I know many people who got married JUST FOR THE TAX BREAKS.
      Last edited by KanadaHye; 02-15-2011, 07:20 PM.
      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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      • #43
        Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

        Originally posted by Odar View Post
        Where did I say they've turned into fascists? :-? Unless for "fascist" you mean every kind of intolerance toward non-approved, yet non-criminal behaviours. I don't like this use of the term, as you can find intolerant people even among those who embrace ideas completely opposed to political fascism. And I'm not sure they learned anything from Italy - I remember J.M. Le Pen once said that Hitler should have used an oil press on xxxs instead of the gas chambers. Luckily old Le Penis never made it to the government - unlike "our" pimps, mafiosi and racists, who seem to think they have the right to insult whoever doesn't kiss their asses.
        If you start denying certain groups from their individual rights such as their right to practice religion, you're essentially saying "you can't become a member of our giant organization called a country unless you change who you are"

        I think George Orwell defined fascism the best:

        The word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else ... Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathisers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.


        Originally posted by Odar View Post
        Gay people are not funded by anyone, either. I thought we were talking about causes.

        Well, this guy who's a rich same sex advocate is funding the politics:
        http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...606679,00.html
        "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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        • #44
          Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

          As much as Communism, that's why I prefer to distinguish between fascist ideology and intolerance/hatred toward this or that group/minority/whatever. My paternal grandfather believed that Fascism could make Italy a great and respected country where law and order prevailed (he was a carabiniere), but as far as I know he was never a hater. Of course he grossly misunderstood what it was all about, but there have been and there still are millions of people like him, who support parties and ideas without knowing exactly what they're doing.

          There are people in Germany who make children just for the "Kindergeld" Seriously, I'd rather shovel dung for 12 hours a day to earn some money :P

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          • #45
            Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

            I’m a multisexual, I see any hole get the urge to seal it, I see any pole get the urge to ride it. beat this!

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            • #46
              Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

              Suit yourself :P

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              • #47
                Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

                I'm hypersexual, give me time and I'll make up some fictitious terms and classifications for the next generation to follow.

                For now I'll just claim it's caused by erratic blood pressure and hormone levels.
                "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                • #48
                  Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

                  Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                  Well my point was, that the years of slavery simply cannot be "fixed" by saying - ok, you're free to go now. We've used you to get REALLY wealthy so we no longer need your services. See, I don't think it works like that. I think there should be reparations including land and money for the generations of abuse. The wealthy should have been punished for what they did. At least, if I was black and had influence in America, that's what I would be working for. It seems to me Obama doesn't have the same vision. He wasn't raised as a member of real black advocacy groups like Black Panther party.
                  That's a great idea and I agree with it, but it's not practical. Why? Because even back then, the 3/5ths compromise was because many states had MORE slaves than slave owners in the entire STATE they can't pay them all back.



                  Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                  No I haven't but I like this:

                  "Gays and Lesbians have a right to live as they choose,
                  they don't have the right to redefine marriage for all of us."

                  Seriously, what IS it that people want? It seems to me, they want the same tax breaks and health care benefits that heterosexual married couples get. Guess what, the ugly single woman or ugly single man who can't find a mate doesn't get any tax breaks either, where is the equality?!?! I can see the issue government has here which is, straight males can easily be roommates and receive the benefits of same sex marriage all the while being playboys.

                  So soon as government removes these tax breaks and marriage privileges, that would put a huge sinker on marriage in America. I know many people who got married JUST FOR THE TAX BREAKS.
                  I know my fair share of people like that too.

                  I don't like that phrase, because what harm does it do to allow everyone to marry?
                  I marry for love and security for a future. I'm not alone in that.

                  So what if we "redefine" marriage? At its most basic form, it doesn't even change much: Marriage between two people. Marriage between a man and a woman. One is excluding a very specific group of people and one is not. I like the one that's not.

                  Even then, so what if homosexual people marry? That doesn't change anything about straight marriages. Churches will still not be forced to marry gay couples (thanks to separation of church and state).

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                  • #49
                    Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

                    Originally posted by Tali View Post
                    Even then, so what if homosexual people marry? That doesn't change anything about straight marriages. Churches will still not be forced to marry gay couples (thanks to separation of church and state).
                    They can't marry just like you can't marry an outlet to another outlet, you can only marry a plug to an outlet. You can define it as something else but it can't be defined as marriage. Marrying is when two parts fit together!!
                    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                    • #50
                      Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

                      Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                      They can't marry just like you can't marry an outlet to another outlet, you can only marry a plug to an outlet. You can define it as something else but it can't be defined as marriage. Marrying is when two parts fit together!!
                      Yes, but marriage is when two hearts fit together. Think about the vows of most services. They don't say: now you can insert your **** into her ****. They focus on love and commitment. Homosexual/bisexual people are capable of that. It's that marriage represents the bond two lovers share. They want to have that bond just like everybody else that opts to marry.

                      You can disagree with the actual act of sexual portion -- however, that argument is even outside marriage. Even religious groups don't always practice what they preach: many "religious" people do not wait til marriage before having sex.

                      Therefore, that entire argument went out the window way back in history. (I'm talking the reformation here of Lutheran in the 16th century!!)

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