Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

[Mos]

Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

Not at all.

So let me get this straight. You worked as a stripper, escort, prostitute, you are bisexual, and you somehow desire to become an Armenian women or live in an Armenian household? I guess that's an American thing for bisexuals, strippers to go start normal families, but in Armenian family that is no way acceptable, I have to break it to you, and your man's family must be well assimilated that they accept all this.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

It depends on what you consider as your own culture. Generally, a conservative, even in France, doesn't really approve non-conformist sexuality and won't vote for gay marriage or stuff but in a "don't ask don't tell" way, unlike the reactionary who condemns it right away and more often than not uses insults against non-heterosexuals and their supporters (as many Italian government members like to do, for example).

Well the "conservatives" in France have shown intolerance to Muslims, forcing them to ban their traditional attire from schools. That to me means they don't wish to lose their liberalism. If they were secure of their own culture, they'd allow other cultures to practice their traditions.

This is the new face of France....

So let me get this straight. You worked as a stripper, escort, prostitute, you are bisexual, and you somehow desire to become an Armenian women or live in an Armenian household? I guess that's an American thing for bisexuals, strippers to go start normal families, but in Armenian family that is no way acceptable, I have to break it to you, and your man's family must be well assimilated that they accept all this.

They'd have to be cyborgs...

[Tali]

Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

If that is the reason, is that also why they shoot and murder each other instead of their ex slave owners and most try to get out to better neighborhoods to escape their own culture? Safety is usually among the wealthier neighbourhoods. Most often, those without offspring are usually better off financially.

I lived with blacks, too. Their "culture" is varied. Not all of them are basketball players, not all of them shoot and murder each other as you hear in some rap songs. Many didn't retaliate against their slave owners because they often moved out of the areas into areas of more social equality (most common: the North). Those that remained often moved to create their own towns. It wasn't to escape their own culture, it's to escape violence. You don't have to be black in order to be subject to abuse.

Safety among wealthier neighborhoods doesn't directly correlate to race or culture. There have been given a variety of reasons for why this is so: better security (more cameras and such), pointless (they'll just replace the stuff), and so forth.

Not necessarily true. Often children become the main recipients of the money, but if there's no children, then the money isn't usually saved for a rainy day - it's spent on themselves.

@ Tali: escort has become an euphemism for call girl, so when you say you've been an escort/masseuse... well some people may misunderstand you

yea, I noticed that after a few comments (like the next one: Mos'). I've explained already but some people just need reiteration. Masseuse though is illegal without a license - even if you don't do "happy endings" (that's disgusting in my mind. My mom taught me a couple things when I was a little girl -- she has her license among others: hair, nail, skin, makeup...-- and then I expanded on different techniques when I got older... but thanks to a bunch of sleezy desparates, now anyone who says they're a masseuse gets some sort of stigma slapped on them).

So let me get this straight. You worked as a stripper, escort, prostitute, you are bisexual, and you somehow desire to become an Armenian women or live in an Armenian household? I guess that's an American thing for bisexuals, strippers to go start normal families, but in Armenian family that is no way acceptable, I have to break it to you, and your man's family must be well assimilated that they accept all this.

Well, Mos, I explained a couple times already but I'll go back over it. I never worked as a stripper. I did work as an escort which means literally going to parties and such. Escorts do not have sex with their clients. That is when they become a prostitute, which I also have never done. Yes I am bisexual. I do not desire to "become an Armenian women", I am dating an Armenian and we plan to marry. Therefore, I'll be assimilated into an Armenian household. They do not ask me to change my ways. They do ask that I learn something about the culture and also, if possible, their language. (Some relatives don't speak English.)

Once again, I have never been a stripper/prostitute/sex slave. Anything involving accepting money or favors for sex in return. I'm sure there are bisexual strippers in existence (though there are far more straight ones), but not all bisexuals ARE strippers.

His family accepts me because they don't have the misunderstanding that you obviously are having. I hope I've made it clear now.

[gegev]

Re: Gegev and Yedtarts want to unvoice my bisexuality propoganda.

Yes sure!

[KanadaHye]

Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

I lived with blacks, too. Their "culture" is varied. Not all of them are basketball players, not all of them shoot and murder each other as you hear in some rap songs. Many didn't retaliate against their slave owners because they often moved out of the areas into areas of more social equality (most common: the North). Those that remained often moved to create their own towns. It wasn't to escape their own culture, it's to escape violence. You don't have to be black in order to be subject to abuse.

Safety among wealthier neighborhoods doesn't directly correlate to race or culture. There have been given a variety of reasons for why this is so: better security (more cameras and such), pointless (they'll just replace the stuff), and so forth.

Not necessarily true. Often children become the main recipients of the money, but if there's no children, then the money isn't usually saved for a rainy day - it's spent on themselves.

I grew up in the Detroit area, I know the history all the way back to the early 1900's. They didn't move up north for social equality, instead of slaving in the cotton fields down south, they were herded to the north to slave in the auto plants. Unfortunately the government failed to provide their children with the same education that was given to the wealthier people who had settled earlier. As of today, the schools in these neighbourhoods are still massively underfunded. Seems like a simple solution for such a powerful country doesn't it? Education. However, in a country where propaganda and politics rules over the basic rights of humanity, it's no wonder the country is headed backwards while the rest of the world strives for advancement and progress. Slavery can only take a country so far. Eventually the people will break free.

It's a fact that single people and people who cohabitate with two incomes have an advantage over the traditional nuclear family who has to expend a large portion of their income to provide for their children. This in itself is an inequality which "straight" people should complain about but I don't see them parading around and complaining about being oppressed. They have no special interest groups funding their cause.

[Odar]

Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

@KanadaHye: with the veil ban they ended up showing intolerance against Christians and xxxs as well since the prohibition involved ANY religious symbols as far as I know. That has more to do with the anticlerical/antireligious streak in French culture since prior the revolution than with the desire to preserve "liberalism".

As for "straight" families not having any special interest group funding them, what about Churches? At least in Italy, so-called Catholics are the heterosexual family's loudest advocates - although it seems to me that their spending more money and energy trying to block any possibility to equal unmarried couples (including straight ones) to legal marriage than to provide help for families with children. And cutting down funds for schools, kindergartens and any other kind of subsidy families could count on certainly won't help people to decide for having children, if they feel they cannot give them a decent future.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

@KanadaHye: with the veil ban they ended up showing intolerance against Christians and xxxs as well since the prohibition involved ANY religious symbols as far as I know. That has more to do with the anticlerical/antireligious streak in French culture since prior the revolution than with the desire to preserve "liberalism".

As for "straight" families not having any special interest group funding them, what about Churches? At least in Italy, so-called Catholics are the heterosexual family's loudest advocates - although it seems to me that their spending more money and energy trying to block any possibility to equal unmarried couples (including straight ones) to legal marriage than to provide help for families with children. And cutting down funds for schools, kindergartens and any other kind of subsidy families could count on certainly won't help people to decide for having children, if they feel they cannot give them a decent future.

So France has gone from touting liberalism to downright fascism... what an improvement! I'm sure they've learned a thing or two from Italy.

Churches don't fund "straight" families. Families fund Churches and the Churches provide social and spiritual activities for the community.

[Tali]

Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

I grew up in the Detroit area, I know the history all the way back to the early 1900's. They didn't move up north for social equality, instead of slaving in the cotton fields down south, they were herded to the north to slave in the auto plants. Unfortunately the government failed to provide their children with the same education that was given to the wealthier people who had settled earlier. As of today, the schools in these neighbourhoods are still massively underfunded. Seems like a simple solution for such a powerful country doesn't it? Education. However, in a country where propaganda and politics rules over the basic rights of humanity, it's no wonder the country is headed backwards while the rest of the world strives for advancement and progress. Slavery can only take a country so far. Eventually the people will break free.

However, some did. I'm not going to say all. I do not doubt your knowledge of history. The underground 'railroad' helped those with social inequality try to get to more equal treatment. It wasn't complete. (It still isn't for ANY race) but it was an attempt. In fact, the issue of slavery first appeared back when we were even writing our Constitution after our failed Articles of Confederation. We compromised that we cannot pass legislation that would negatively affect slavery for at least 20 years. Then, after 20 years, we passed legislation that stated we can no longer import slaves. That's when the South retaliated by then saying all children of children are slaves and so forth...

As for education, I'm certain you're aware of Brown v. Board of Education cases of 1954 and 1956/8; particularly growing up in the Detroit area. I wasn't disagreeing that there is no inequality towards racial groups. I am saying there still are successful blacks (*cough* the current President of the United States) that aren't basketball players or certain stereotypes attached to them.

The whole thing about the 'basic rights of humanity' has always and will forever be debated. There's even two different terms for them: civil rights versus civil liberties. That last bit about people eventually breaking free really intrigues me. For you see, I don't think people ever are really "free." That it's impossible -- though I may have an entirely different definition of "free" than you may have.

Churches don't fund "straight" families. Families fund Churches and the Churches provide social and spiritual activities for the community.

Sorry KanadaHye, but have you heard of NOM?
http://www.nationformarriage.org/sit....BEC6/Home.htm

[Tali]

Re: Gegev and Yedtarts want to unvoice my bisexuality propoganda.

Yes sure!

Gegev, I'm glad you agreed to keep the whole bisexual stuff in this thread so people can ignore it at their leisure. However, it's rather self belittling of you to try to make me say things I did not say: "Gegev and Yedtarts want to unvoice my bisexuality propoganda." and then agree to it.

tsk, tsk Gegev. and here i was thinking so highly of you. I didn't realize you would stoop so low as to attempt to project a completely wrong image. You do not speak for Yedtarts. You do not speak for me. You speak for yourself. You feel my bisexuality is propoganda and guess what? That's completely okay to feel that way, in my opinion.

But to agree to your own lewdness? I feel so sorry for you. How does it feel to know that people are going to be able to read your post, know what you did, and think less of you? I really wish you hadn't done that. You really are quite an intelligent person who deserves respect. Hopefully nobody will notice besides me.

[Odar]

Re: Gegev and Yedtarts mostly, others want to voice something on my bisexuality?

Where did I say they've turned into fascists? :-? Unless for "fascist" you mean every kind of intolerance toward non-approved, yet non-criminal behaviours. I don't like this use of the term, as you can find intolerant people even among those who embrace ideas completely opposed to political fascism. And I'm not sure they learned anything from Italy - I remember J.M. Le Pen once said that Hitler should have used an oil press on xxxs instead of the gas chambers. Luckily old Le Penis never made it to the government - unlike "our" pimps, mafiosi and racists, who seem to think they have the right to insult whoever doesn't kiss their asses.

Gay people are not funded by anyone, either. I thought we were talking about causes.