Prostitution

[violette829]

Now I know the real reason why you like Las Vegas so much.

I'm leavin for Las Vegas tomorrow morning. WOOHOO!!!!

[loseyourname]

Yes dear, but at the time, I’m sure she had no choice. No one would prefer cleaning after someone else, or having to serve another. But I’m sure when you’re a parent, you’ll do just about anything for the well being of your family. When someone decides to build a family, they should be ready to put their family before themselves, and before their pride. If cleaning someone else’s house, or taking care of someone is what she needed to do, she wouldn’t let her pride get in the way. Surely it’s nobody’s dream to have a “menial, no skill job” in order to support their family. So you’re not saying anything new.

This is exactly why I said "I'm sure she had her reasons, being an immigrant and all." She had no choice but to do work that I find degrading, so she did it. Prostitutes have a choice - they can make a pittance doing sh*t work like cleaning someone else's toilets, or they can make a fairly decent living having sex.

I think it is degrading. It doesn't matter if they think so or not.

How does it not matter whether or not the party involved finds it degrading? Do you really believe that they stop to think twice, or even once, about spiral's opinion? If they don't feel degraded, that is all that matters. I can guarantee you that your opinion is worth about as much as a bag full of petrified dog crap to these women.

Heck, if you think it's degrading, don't do it. Same reason I won't ever be someone's maid. At the same time, I'm not going to tell other people that they are degrading themselves by doing it. If they feel all right about how they bring home the paycheck, so be it. I happen to think that studio executives and politicians are doing far more depraved work than a prositute, but I don't see anyone in here complaining about them. I think this world needs to get off its high horse about sex and worry about the things that actually matter. When arms dealers and oil companies make money off of unjustified wars that kill thousands, that bothers me. If a woman wants to have sex and get paid, let her. If its legal and regulated, it hurts no one.

[spiral]

I'm not going to tell other people that they are degrading themselves by doing it.

So far, I haven't walked up to any prostitutes to to tell them they are degrading themselves by allowing everyone to screw them, either.

[Sip]

Now I know the real reason why you like Las Vegas so much.

Vegas? I once was stranded in a little town in northern Nevada called Elco. I was trying to make my way back to Northern cali from some Utah offroading but the blazer was only running on 3 cylinders instead of 6. I had to to pull off the main highway around 2AM and find a room as it just wasn't drivable anymore ...

... well, the next day I was chatting with the mechanic at the dealer who was waiting for a part to show up and so I had a few hours to kill ... I asked him if there was anything to do in town and sure enough he informed me that there were 3 casinos and 4 wh0re houses in this amazing town ... and that's really all there was!

... yah you guess it ... I went to the buffet at the closest casino

[anileve]

You've also mentioned that Utah is great....I see a pattern developing here.

[anileve]

i would be proud to be a housewife and stay home and raise my children!! it's definitely something to be proud of!! it's not that one is uneducated or lacks ambition, rather raising healthy families is as productive, if not more, to society as is workforce contribution...raising loved kids whose parents are there for them and spend time with them will develop healthy balanced adults in the future

Have you and Anonymouse met yet? I think it should be arranged as soon as possible.

[Anonymouse]

Have you and Anonymouse met yet? I think it should be arranged as soon as possible.

As opposed to being a rough, "independent", woman that won't sacrifice herself fully to the family? I don't understand your hang up with this. It seems to bother you.

[anileve]

Bruin, guys wouldn't have this problems if they thought with their brains, and not their little buddies. All guys want is sex, and no responsibilities. If a girl tricks them into marriage, then more power to them. Don't think anyone would do something like that if the guy showed he thought about the future, and not just sex.

Extra, that is a very disturbing statement. I really hope that it came out of some innocent rage rather than your true belief. First of all I'd like to state something in guys defense, and again you have a good selection of rotten apples as in every pile, but it is a lie that all men ever want is sex. Sure that it's a big part of it, but heck I want some good sex too! I think that men have been told from their childhood that they must obey their hormones and practice this disobeying as much as possible, because...well because it's a manly thing to do. It's somehow looked down upon or ridiculed if a man hasn't had as many sexual experiences, and that again is a pressure from the society.

There is also that stupid myth, that men and their “monkeys” are two independent entities. The reality is that the two heads are very much connected, so connected that they go hand in hand with each other....pun intended....sorry it just flows well. I hate the way women and men constantly SERIOUSLY stereotype each other, it's one thing to drop jokes from time to time, but liiird let's just drop this labeling theory.

Now in terms of tricking a man into marriage, that is simply a conniving, deceitful, cruel and unethical thing to do. Believe me, a man will wait and get married to a woman just to have sex with her, in fact that was very common in Armenia, where values were observed and that was the only way for men to get into their girlfriends pants. Not long after marriages would be nothing short of a misery. And it's sad that someone would want to commit to something which was based on deceit rather than heartfelt desire.

In terms of sexual services...Well I personally think that prostitution should be legalized, it was even practiced among early civilizations like Sumerians. If it was legalized, the “market” profit would decrease tremendously for larger illegal organizations which specialize in such business. Prostitutes would receive a governmental protection and the amount of deaths and rape among young and underage women would decrease. Now they cannot even turn for protection, because the act is illegal on its own, so many of them are sucked into the abuse of their pimps.

Furthermore, prostitution or any business involving sexual acts and nudity is a guaranteed quick and huge earning. Often helpful when a woman needs to support her family or put herself through school. And although the aid is a quick fix and at the moment elevates her to a goal, her reputation, her past and her self-esteem are forever tarnished. Like they say there is a price to pay for everything, if the reward is quick and the efforts applied are subtle, there is usually a hefty price tag involved. I dont' like to criticize people, especially women which get into that sort of a lifestyle, I feel rather sorry for them, because often they are confused, lonely and abused women with a very damaged self esteem.

But prostitution is here to stay, so instead of “ooooing” and “aaaing”, it's important to see how the situation can be improved rather than restricting it all together.

[anileve]

As opposed to being a rough, "independent", woman that won't sacrifice herself fully to the family? I don't understand your hang up with this. It seems to bother you.

Nobody should sacrifice themselves entirely for anything or anyone, it destroys a person and erases self worth. You should understand this.

I am rough and "independent", it doesn't seem to bother me or my partners, in addition I don't remember being labeled anything else but feminine. However, I ain't no doormat and I am not sacrificing my self for anything entirely, nor would I dare to expect anyone to. As Baron would say I don't think there is anything more dull than a partner who loses their identity to talk about chopping parsley and what a great bargain on a pot she got today.

I met a man who used to tell me about his cookie cutter wife. I mentioned that he must be quiet ecstatic to have a wife like that, he laughed and said, "Yes, I used to think so. And as much as I love her at times it becomes too much listening to her speak of her cleaning and domestic chores. She was more exciting before."

There is nothing better than a combination of roles.

[Anonymouse]

Nobody should sacrifice themselves entirely for anything or anyone, it destroys a person and erases self worth. You should understand this.

I am rough and "independent", it doesn't seem to bother me or my partners, in addition I don't remember being labeled anything else but feminine. However, I ain't no doormat and I am not sacrificing my self for anything entirely, nor would I dare to expect anyone to. As Baron would say I don't think there is anything more dull than a partner who loses their identity to talk about chopping parsley and what a great bargain on a pot she got today.

I met a man who used to tell me about his cookie cutter wife. I mentioned that he must be quiet ecstatic to have a wife like that, he laughed and said, "Yes, I used to think so. And as much as I love her at times it becomes too much listening to her speak of her cleaning and domestic chores. She was more exciting before."

There is nothing better than a combination of roles.

Okay, good for you, that's your opinion, you seem to be bothered by my opinion, judging by your continuous references to it. I don't want someone who is hedonistic and lives for their own self-gratification. What is the point in having a family then? That is the whole point of marriage and family, when two become one. So what if there are people who abuse and don't appreciate, life is not fair. If you don't want to be that way, no one forced you. And by you bringing in shady examples from personal experience that somehow justifies your view, would be the same if I were to quote a woman I know who loves being a devoted wife and mother. So what? Prostitutes come from all ranks. In fact, one can argue that we are all prostitutes. Say, that's not a bad argument...