Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

[exfo]

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I see your point when you say "disliking your country" and by country you probably meant the "autorities"....[/B]

Do they mean the authorities? I am not that much sure. I am afraid that they mean Turks in general (Sorry, I forgot to add barbaric, asiatic, murderer, islamic, bla bla bla Turks)

[exfo]

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Meanwhile, as far as I know, pls correct me if am wrong exfo, turkish government is teaching the kids that armenians were betrayers and they were manipulated by other nations to weaken turkish...]

Of course government is not teaching the kids officially, but yes, the governments do this "Armenians are X" thing unofficially. At least the government create that kind of "betrayer Armenians" enviroment. Fo me the Turkish governments are as low as Gunner on this manner.

Who would get hurt the most if turkey and armenia negotiates and find a solution to this problem?

I am afraid the diaspora who feed from the Turkish hatred to keep their identity.

[Esther]

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I completly understand the pain your family went through & still going throught and think I already mentioned it several times...well... I see your point when you say "disliking your country" and by country you probably meant the "autorities"....on the other hand how come you expect him to say "I am criminal, accuse me" after a crime commited by people long ago he didnt even know about? Isnt it unfair on him if you say "I hate you coz your dad killed mine"!! sorry bad lang ahead... its like saying "you are a xxxxx coz your mum was a xxxxx"!!! its a completly wrong way of thinking... "Him", "individually" commited no crime and had no autority of what happened in the past. However...If you talk about the "government" which is an "autority" and it is possible by law to accuse "autorities" for the "crimes" they commited before, then you are on the right path...

I personally think that if Armenians want something out of "turkey" its better if done with "more friendly" way. I dont understand how come some of you still dont see it that you are not doing it the clever way as the more you show that you "hate" em the more they "hate" you and at the same time you expect people to individually accept the genocide!!helloo!!. Meanwhile, as far as I know, pls correct me if am wrong exfo, turkish government is teaching the kids that armenians were betrayers and they were manipulated by other nations to weaken turkish... What this means esther is its time for both armenians and turks to "put themselves in the other sides' shoes"... If not solved in peaceful manner the big nations will keep on "playing" armenia and turkey for their own benefit... You must see it fast and act fast, think!!... Who would get hurt the most if turkey and armenia negotiates and find a solution to this problem?

I thought I'd made my point clear,when I wrote that he has to remember, that he is being disliked because he was ridiculing our whole situation with the things he wrote and I once accused him of being ignorant to the facts, which was true. I'm sorry, but it is really annoying me, how you people always claim things without proof. I never said that I expect him to say that he is a criminal. But he was guilty of denying the genocide at first.

And this "put yourself in the other side's shoes" thing, I can't compare the Turkish motives to deny the genocide to the Armenian ones to demand justice. Please understand that these are some serious issues, which can't be solved that easily. Not all Turks think like you, I know lots of them who don't. And some of us might "hate" Turks, but they don't run around and shout it all out, at least you can't know if they really do. They say it freely on an internet forum which was specifically made for Armenians to talk to Armenians. If they can't speak their mind here, where then???
And do you seriously think we hate the Truks who accept, that there has been a genocide? I don't think you do, because it is unlogical and untrue. I have a lot of respect for those of you, who think for themselves and are not totally brainwashed and braindead.

[exfo]

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I also think exefo is a moron, who dislikes the western world (i deduce from his/her previous comments).

Ok, good to you.

not that i have to explain myself to you, but you seem to be "cool" so w/e. Although i have noticed from your posts you too "refer to the Genocide as 'alleged' and you don't call it a genocide, so i dont really know where you're coming from...

Aha, Gizzy, this is the best part that make these people fool. "Confess the genocide or get our of here" thing. Yes, Gizzy, do you "confess" the genocide?

[Sip]

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I am afraid the diaspora who feed from the Turkish hatred to keep their identity.

You should be more affraid from a government and culture that feeds from stupidity and gullibility of its people.

[exfo]

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You should be more affraid from a government and culture that feeds from stupidity and gullibility of its people.

I agree, USA is a good example for this.

[Esther]

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@ exfo: You know what? I just deleted a longe message I wrote to you, because I really don't think it would change your opinion.

Just one single question: You already "inofficialy" admitted, that there has been a genocide, why is it so hard to make it official? ASALA occured in 1975, so this can't be the reason for it. I'm just wondering, why you Turks act like an insulted kid, whenever we demand the recognition. Why is it so hard to see the facts and act appropriate??

[Sip]

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I agree, USA is a good example for this.

So is Turkey

[gizzy]

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Gizzy i'll be the first to admit that some years back, i used to generalize, but i recognize the error of my way... thanks to people like you.

So I don't think (all) turks are anything. I do feel that if a turkish person out right denies the genocide without and sort of rational explination, then that turk or who ever it be, is ignoarnt and i dont consider them at "my level"

"turkishness" is this feeling that exefo has that... all western world is bad, and sinner, and they terrorize the world blah blah without ever criticiszing a single muslim nation for its shortcomings ... that's turkishness (btw, it was the root of the armenian genocide)

I also think exefo is a moron, who dislikes the western world (i deduce from his/her previous comments).



I think the stem of my hatred came from the lack of remorse on behalf of turks....

very well then... I know what you mean by the "turkishness" you refer to and I am personally did have a lot of problems with it as well... some other turkish cypriots were refered to as a "bertrayer" by some turks full of "turkishness" just coz we were giving peacefull messages to all cypriots... Some people are way too "fanatic" over being a turk and whatsoever they forgot that they are just a human being and nothing special... Just say one word against their country and these people refer to you as their enemies...why? coz they have carved some ideologies in their brains (since they were brainwashed) and now they are incapable of thinking and making their own evaluations of whats right and wrong... However am afraid its not only some turks who have this kind of attitude but also some of their "enemies". I guess thats what makes the problem even bigger coz when two sides are fanatic its seems impossible to come to an agreement... However I still dont think exfo is like the way you think of him...

not that i have to explain myself to you, but you seem to be "cool" so w/e. Although i have noticed from your posts you too "refer to the Genocide as 'alleged' and you don't call it a genocide, so i dont really know where you're coming from...

I see your mind drifts to this topic over and over again... I know its a sensitive issue...as I said many times before I dont know much about this issue and I am not capable of using and evaluating the facts scientifically. However in general I know what genocide means: a form of mass violence: and I personally think there had been a mass violence which can be referred as genocide or a "democide" and therefore turkish government is quilty for this.

[exfo]

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@ exfo: You know what? I just deleted a longe message I wrote to you, because I really don't think it would change your opinion.

Just one single question: You already "inofficialy" admitted, that there has been a genocide, why is it so hard to make it official? ASALA occured in 1975, so this can't be the reason for it. I'm just wondering, why you Turks act like an insulted kid, whenever we demand the recognition. Why is it so hard to see the facts and act appropriate??

I am really sorry that you deleted your long message just because it wont change my opinion, because I do not have an "opinion" about this "1915 was a genocide" I believe that I have a good historical background, I read even the book of Dadrian to understand "your side" But I don't ant to read a book about one of these sides. I want to learn what really happened, and both Turkish government and Armenian diaspora have an "official history" about the past and you force me to choose one of them! I want to learn about my history to face with my history if necessary, but this should be about history, not a political struggle, both sides distort the reality. Dont come up with "even western world believe it is genocide, then why still do you deny, just confess it, etc." I can not confess a crime that I do not know. Just please understand this and stop this political pressures towards Turks to "confess" the genocide. This is not something to confess, this is not a religion or a political ideology. This is history!