Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

[gizzy]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Ok Gizzy, whatever...

oh please!... I dont need your consultance before I tell my opinion! I am free to think whatever I like whether you like it or not mister!

[Esther]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Ok Esther, go and continue to demonise the Turks for your case.
Btw, do you live at Germany? How about the Turks on the streets, what do you feel when you talk with them? Do they look like murderers?

Oh you certainly don't have to worry about that, I will continue to "pull them over to the dark side"...whatever...

Yep, I live in Germany and I really have to say, that the Turks on the streets don't resemble that cliche of a murderer. But actually I've met a lot of not-very-friendly mates, which have no problem to make clear what they think.
And I know Turks; I have relatives in Turkey and my parents are bolsahays, so trust me when I say I've made my own experiences. Just to mention a recent event: There's an armenian school in Istanbul and my parents know the headmaster. She told them, that she is getting a lot of not-very-friendly letters from the already mentioned not-very-freindly mates...
I can't even say what I feel when I speak to them: sometimes they are really annoying, but there are a few good ones, too. If you try to make me say, that I feel "hatred building up inside of me whenever I see one of those barbarians/mongols etc...", I have to disappoint you. No, I don't hate Turks, I dislike the Turkish attitudeand the totaly over-motivated support for their government's mistakes. You are really overdramatizing every single thing that is said.

[Gunner14]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Example of "Turkishness"

the film "Midnight Express"


the film depicts brutal turkish prisons and people.....

There have been numerous films regarding the bruatal prison systems of other countries: russian, mexican, etc...

Did those countries go as far as to boycott the production companies of those films? The turks, boycott any film that insults their "turkishness" No. You know why? I don't know why....

That's turkishness, and it is flowing through Exefo's vains....

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

oh please!... I dont need your consultance before I tell my opinion! I am free to think whatever I like whether you like it or not mister!

Of course you are free to think whatever you like, such as Gunner, Sip or others are free to think that Turks are X. I just expected more sophisticated analysis from you. You dissappointed me (welcome to my personal intellectual terror Gizzy ) Take your side!

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Oh you certainly don't have to worry about that, I will continue to "pull them over to the dark side"...whatever...

Yep, I live in Germany and I really have to say, that the Turks on the streets don't resemble that cliche of a murderer. But actually I've met a lot of not-very-friendly mates, which have no problem to make clear what they think.
And I know Turks; I have relatives in Turkey and my parents are bolsahays, so trust me when I say I've made my own experiences. Just to mention a recent event: There's an armenian school in Istanbul and my parents know the headmaster. She told them, that she is getting a lot of not-very-friendly letters from the already mentioned not-very-freindly mates...
I can't even say what I feel when I speak to them: sometimes they are really annoying, but there are a few good ones, too. If you try to make me say, that I feel "hatred building up inside of me whenever I see one of those barbarians/mongols etc...", I have to disappoint you. No, I don't hate Turks, I dislike the Turkish attitudeand the totaly over-motivated support for their government's mistakes. You are really overdramatizing every single thing that is said.

Of course there are a group of non-friendly stupid Turks, they always exist. But I think they don't represent the majority, are they?
You are lucky because you live with Turks side by side and it is not easy to demonise someone that you see at your ordinary life. I think thats why you can protect yourself from this blind hatred.
Yes Armenians in Turkey face with a kind of secret (sometimes not secret) pressure, but I think the reason why they don't believe that Turks are demons is because they live with Turks side by side. What a shame for us, Turks that we couldn't protect our citizens and could not achieve to live together after 1000 years.
I don't want to continue this deadlock discussion. I am nice to meet with you Esther.

[Sip]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Of course there are a group of non-friendly stupid Turks, they always exist. But I think they don't represent the majority, are they?

They are the majority of the Turks we see here in this forum. Most of the intelligent Turks realize they need to fix a lot of their own problems first before trying to initiate "intelligent" dialog with Armenians.

[Gunner14]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Good, you say that you do not know much about 1915 and then you confess that 1915 was a genocide. This is called as intellectual terror which these people use since long decades. Sorry but I will not confess, I am a sinner, a denier and deserve being killed but no I will not confess, capish?

Exefo, i give you a bit of advice... never die for your belief, because there is a chance you were wrong...

with that last post you showed your true color...

[gizzy]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Of course you are free to think whatever you like, such as Gunner, Sip or others are free to think that Turks are X. I just expected more sophisticated analysis from you. You dissappointed me (welcome to my personal intellectual terror Gizzy ) Take your side!

"personal intellectual terror"?!?....hmm...I can see the "personal" and the "terror" part but I havnt seen the "intellectual" bit yet....perhaps you should start sharing your "sophisticated analysis" on an "intellectual" basis soon... I have only seen your "I am protesting these people coz they hate me" posts so far... If you think there are things to be said, the truths you believe that exist, then you must tell and explain the reasons why...If you are really sure of your "analysis" then you should ignore those who are not gonna appretiate it. Especially on the genocide issue... tell me why you think its not a genocide and if its not a genocide then what it can be called instead...is it just a war?

Pls go ahead and enlighten me with your analysis but dont expect me to take a side since I never will coz I refuse to have an effete reasoning power!

They are the majority of the Turks we see here in this forum. Most of the intelligent Turks realize they need to fix a lot of their own problems first before trying to initiate "intelligent" dialog with Armenians.

lool...no wayyy...I think this forum offers loads of "intelligent" threads such as "ataturk is gay" and therefore I am "suprized" to see how come these extremly "clever turks" are incapable of forming "intelligent" dialogs....awwwww

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

"personal intellectual terror"?!?....hmm...I can see the "personal" and the "terror" part but I havnt seen the "intellectual" bit yet....perhaps you should start sharing your "sophisticated analysis" on an "intellectual" basis soon... I have only seen your "I am protesting these people coz they hate me" posts so far... If you think there are things to be said, the truths you believe that exist, then you must tell and explain the reasons why...If you are really sure of your "analysis" then you should ignore those who are not gonna appretiate it. Especially on the genocide issue... tell me why you think its not a genocide and if its not a genocide then what it can be called instead...is it just a war?

Pls go ahead and enlighten me with your analysis but dont expect me to take a side since I never will coz I refuse to have an effete reasoning power!

Gizzy, do you believe that people like Sip, Gunner and others are the correct persons to make an "intellectual" dialogue? How can I response "intellectually" to a person that parrot "Turks are murderer, Muslims are terrorist, Ataturk was gay..."

I can not enlighten you since I also do not know too much about the reality as a person that read many books about 1915 from Turks, Armenians and international scholars. Only thing I can inform to you are the allegations of both sides and neither of them cover the exact reality but distort it. I can also confess that the "official history" of Turkish side is much more distorted than the Armenian side. But still the allegations of the Armenian side distort the reality as well. The problem is this historical debate is not discussing scientifically but politically for a long time. Both sides have their own "official realities" and I repeat it several times above. Do you also obsessed the same thing that exfo "deny" the genocide? I am not like you. I need to have neutral and objective information before make an opinion. Of course you are free to "believe" something that you have no idea besides some propoganda websites.

lool...no wayyy...I think this forum offers loads of "intelligent" threads such as "ataturk is gay" and therefore I am "suprized" to see how come these extremly "clever turks" are incapable of forming "intelligent" dialogs....awwwww

As a Turk I am incapable to discuss these issues intellectually like Sip. Also it is very exacting job to research about the gayness of Ataturk and Sip is a proffessional on that matter.

[gizzy]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Gizzy, do you believe that people like Sip, Gunner and others are the correct persons to make an "intellectual" dialogue? How can I response "intellectually" to a person that parrot "Turks are murderer, Muslims are terrorist, Ataturk was gay..."

yeah yea,I know what you mean but you should ignore some messages to a certain extent you are giving them great pleasure when you reply. I also realized something interesting in this forum which I want to share. Some armenians are being "oppressed" by "fanatic" ones even if they write even a "neutral" reply to a turk. I dont want to give names coz its obvious. These "fanatics" are in constant attempt to manipulate others and catalyze "discomfort" among people who are in dialog with turks.

I can not enlighten you since I also do not know too much about the reality as a person that read many books about 1915 from Turks, Armenians and international scholars. Only thing I can inform to you are the allegations of both sides and neither of them cover the exact reality but distort it. I can also confess that the "official history" of Turkish side is much more distorted than the Armenian side. But still the allegations of the Armenian side distort the reality as well. The problem is this historical debate is not discussing scientifically but politically for a long time. Both sides have their own "official realities" and I repeat it several times above. Do you also obsessed the same thing that exfo "deny" the genocide? I am not like you. I need to have neutral and objective information before make an opinion. Of course you are free to "believe" something that you have no idea besides some propoganda websites.

I am not obsessed with anything... I have seen both turkish and armenian websites.
]

here are my opinions which are solely based on my evaluation of some facts:
I personally think turks had no attept to eradicate the "armenian race" like the natzis style. This can be understood by the fact that the armenian children were "brought up" by some turks which means there was no hate towards the race or anything. As far as understand, armenians were in negotiation with the enemies and were manipulated and they were refered to as "bertrayers" because of this matter. There comes the name Talat Pasha who was meant to do a "relocation"- "techir" of "all of the armenians" in anatolia. There had been riots -(obviously) and many civil armenians were killed and this can be refered to as "massive violence" since it targeted whole pupulation of armenians. I personally think this act of "relocation" had been far off from its original purpose and I dont see why it was needed. I dont think armenian "civilians" were gonna attack turkish army and the "terrotist groups" would have been dealed individually, not by "forcing" and ending up killing innocent people... Therefore I think turkish government is guilty for their criminal acts and therefore they need to "face" the reality that killing innocent is against the rules and they need to be punished.

p.s: alakasız olacak ama "doktorlar" dizisini görün? Ben youtube dan izliyorum ve en yeni bölümün sonunda Ela ya o deli garı bişey enjekde edecekdi, o ne bilin? Çok merak ettim, kızı sakat mı bırakacak, ne yapacak :S Bayıltıp kaçıracak galiba.