Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

I dont think he meant "you"...But some people on the forum did call turks as jerks and some people here really look "obsessed" as they are constantly saying "turks are this and that"... am sure you know what I mean...

Although my English is not that much perfect I found that these people can not distinguish singular you and plural you and tend to believe that I imply singular you when I use it. Also Gunner suffer from the same problem.

Anyway, I recommend you to read Ara Baliozian at intellectual lounge. But of course first I recommend you to read about 1915 before to understand the crimes of the Turkish ruling party towards Armenians. Dont waste your time here with Cowboys and Bolshevics.

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

I don't understand what gives you the impression that there is to be a "discussion"? The facts are clear.

Ok. Good luck to you.

[Sip]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

No no ... good luck to YOU. You are the one who has to figure things out. But you will need luck because as you've said, you don't like to research.

[Esther]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

The problem is you do not have enough information about Armenian diaspora at thw western countries. That's why you miss some points and believe that this "Turks are X" chatting is about some extremefanatic Armenians. No. It is a general habit of an entire nation (if we seperate western diaspora from Armenia) They believe that they can legitimate everything because of this victim psychology. I know diaspora more than you and this is not my self imagination but the reality. Even some diaspora intellectuals see this fact and warn their community from this Turkish based lifestyle.
Otherwise I have no problem to critisize the hitory of Turkey. I already try to make that mature discussion about the crimes of Turkey at 1915 but there is another fact that these people do not deserve this discussion. You say that they are fighting for their rights. No. They are fighting for nothing. They have all comfort and the reason why they insult Turks everyday at internet is because this is their national identity and lifestyle. They are afraid that if they give up the Turkish hatred one day all they will be assimilated inside western world because unfortunately this is the only notion that unite them. I recommend you to read all their posts and you will get to realise this ilness.

Do you know why we still fight? Why we, after more than 90 years, still continue to struggle with the pathetic ignorant policy of your country? Because there are still consequences affecting our lives. It can not be denied, that my family and many other families, too, wouldn't be forced to live in a country far far away from home. So many of us are seperated from our culture. There are so many of us, who lost their identy and who don't know anything about their own traditions; who are not even capable of speaking their own language. You say you know Diaspora Armenians, you claim that you have enough knowledge about our motives and our goals. But in the end, you have no idea how painful it is to go to church on the 24th april every year and to light candles for the dead, and instead of reducing the damage, which your people are still guilty of (I'm talking about the denial of the genocide) we have to pray for another person, who lost his life only because he dared to try to talk about "historical facts". Every try we made to talk or to discuss this genocide in public was in vain. There is no reason to accuse us of being not "worthy" enough to be talked to. You might be right, if you say that we don't judge Turks as individuals. And you might be right, if you say, that this "Turkish hatred" or whatever you want to call it, is uniting us in some kind of way. But we are not holding on to that hatred, (if you can even call it "hatred"), because we are afraid of falling apart. We "hate", because we have enough reasons to do so. If you've come here and expected discussions on a friendly basis, then you have wasted your time. You have given me enough reasons, to think that you can't stand the idea of people disliking your country and , even more important, you can't stand the idea of being hated for something you haven't donein the first place. But what you have to remember is, that you are being "disliked" because you are ridiculing our situation, our aims and our suffering. It took you enough time to even accept, that there has been a genocide.
I'm curious what you would have done, if you were in our situation and please be honest, if you descide to answer. If you don't think, that you are capable of putting yourself in our position, please ignore the question.

[Gunner14]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Although my English is not that much perfect I found that these people can not distinguish singular you and plural you and tend to believe that I imply singular you when I use it. Also Gunner suffer from the same problem.

Well, the only thing gunner suffers form is large genetelia. You stupid *censor*, you say we don't judge turks on an individual basis, but when you speak about armenians and the diaspora you (exefo) say (we all) are a certain way(that we are all obsessed with turks, that we all hate turks.... generalizing is the first sign of stupidity and even worse, turkishness.... there i win, you have no credibility to speak about armenians or the disaspora... you know nothing.

[gizzy]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

If you've come here and expected discussions on a friendly basis, then you have wasted your time. You have given me enough reasons, to think that you can't stand the idea of people disliking your country and , even more important, you can't stand the idea of being hated for something you haven't donein the first place. But what you have to remember is, that you are being "disliked" because you are ridiculing our situation, our aims and our suffering. It took you enough time to even accept, that there has been a genocide.
I'm curious what you would have done, if you were in our situation and please be honest, if you descide to answer. If you don't think, that you are capable of putting yourself in our position, please ignore the question.

I completly understand the pain your family went through & still going throught and think I already mentioned it several times...well... I see your point when you say "disliking your country" and by country you probably meant the "autorities"....on the other hand how come you expect him to say "I am criminal, accuse me" after a crime commited by people long ago he didnt even know about? Isnt it unfair on him if you say "I hate you coz your dad killed mine"!! sorry bad lang ahead... its like saying "you are a xxxxx coz your mum was a xxxxx"!!! its a completly wrong way of thinking... "Him", "individually" commited no crime and had no autority of what happened in the past. However...If you talk about the "government" which is an "autority" and it is possible by law to accuse "autorities" for the "crimes" they commited before, then you are on the right path...

I personally think that if Armenians want something out of "turkey" its better if done with "more friendly" way. I dont understand how come some of you still dont see it that you are not doing it the clever way as the more you show that you "hate" em the more they "hate" you and at the same time you expect people to individually accept the genocide!!helloo!!. Meanwhile, as far as I know, pls correct me if am wrong exfo, turkish government is teaching the kids that armenians were betrayers and they were manipulated by other nations to weaken turkish... What this means esther is its time for both armenians and turks to "put themselves in the other sides' shoes"... If not solved in peaceful manner the big nations will keep on "playing" armenia and turkey for their own benefit... You must see it fast and act fast, think!!... Who would get hurt the most if turkey and armenia negotiates and find a solution to this problem?

[gizzy]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Well, the only thing gunner suffers form is large genetelia. You stupid *censor*, you say we don't judge turks on an individual basis, but when you speak about armenians and the diaspora you (exefo) say (we all) are a certain way(that we are all obsessed with turks, that we all hate turks.... generalizing is the first sign of stupidity and even worse, turkishness.... there i win, you have no credibility to speak about armenians or the disaspora... you know nothing.

I was looking for a "diculous pleasure" example and voilla!! it came to me..thnx gunner.... Its funny how you are accusing exfo for generalizing and yet you use the general term "turkishness" and dont tell me that you assume thats called talking "individual" basis....oh please!....

[Sip]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

The important fact still remains that exfo has been OWN3D.

[Gunner14]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

I was looking for a "diculous pleasure" example and voilla!! it came to me..thnx gunner.... Its funny how you are accusing exfo for generalizing and yet you use the general term "turkishness" and dont tell me that you assume thats called talking "individual" basis....oh please!....

Gizzy i'll be the first to admit that some years back, i used to generalize, but i recognize the error of my way... thanks to people like you.

So I don't think (all) turks are anything. I do feel that if a turkish person out right denies the genocide without and sort of rational explination, then that turk or who ever it be, is ignoarnt and i dont consider them at "my level"

"turkishness" is this feeling that exefo has that... all western world is bad, and sinner, and they terrorize the world blah blah without ever criticiszing a single muslim nation for its shortcomings ... that's turkishness (btw, it was the root of the armenian genocide)

I also think exefo is a moron, who dislikes the western world (i deduce from his/her previous comments).



I think the stem of my hatred came from the lack of remorse on behalf of turks....

not that i have to explain myself to you, but you seem to be "cool" so w/e. Although i have noticed from your posts you too "refer to the Genocide as 'alleged' and you don't call it a genocide, so i dont really know where you're coming from...

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Do you know why we still fight? Why we, after more than 90 years, still continue to struggle with the pathetic ignorant policy of your country? Because there are still consequences affecting our lives. It can not be denied, that my family and many other families, too, wouldn't be forced to live in a country far far away from home. So many of us are seperated from our culture. There are so many of us, who lost their identy and who don't know anything about their own traditions; who are not even capable of speaking their own language. You say you know Diaspora Armenians, you claim that you have enough knowledge about our motives and our goals. But in the end, you have no idea how painful it is to go to church on the 24th april every year and to light candles for the dead, and instead of reducing the damage, which your people are still guilty of (I'm talking about the denial of the genocide) we have to pray for another person, who lost his life only because he dared to try to talk about "historical facts".

I understand it, when I make emphaty (which boths sides should made) I can understand your pain very well and I am ready to light a candle for your losses. I know that very bad things happened to Armenian society at WW1, many people is died from your side, all your properties are plundered, most important one is you have lost your homeland. I do not have any objection to them. But, for thr god's sake, do you think that you can legitimate all this stupid Turkish hatred because you suffered at 100 years ago? We are talking about your sides obsession with Turks now. Why do you expect from other side to "confess genocide" at every sentence?

Every try we made to talk or to discuss this genocide in public was in vain.

Come on! Turks (lets consider them as a unified body) are the side that question the genocide. And you (same again) are the side that do not want to discuss anything. For you everything is clear, you have all evidences, even the "western world" admit the genocide, so you already made up your mind. There is no discussion possible and you only expect from the Turks to "confess" the genocide or something like that.

But we are not holding on to that hatred, (if you can even call it "hatred"), because we are afraid of falling apart. We "hate", because we have enough reasons to do so. If you've come here and expected discussions on a friendly basis, then you have wasted your time.

If you thing so there is no need to "discuss" anything.

I'm curious what you would have done, if you were in our situation and please be honest, if you descide to answer. If you don't think, that you are capable of putting yourself in our position, please ignore the question.

Well I don’t know of course, maybe I would hate from the other side blindly like “you”
But this doesn’t legitimate the hatred itself.