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  • #151
    Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

    [QUOTE=Gunner14;173571]I'm done..... You win..... because you're absalutely right.. Turkey has no reason what so ever to recongize the Armenian genocide, or give anything to Armenia.....[QUOTE]

    Turkey has many reasons to accpet its crime at history. And has reasons to accept the genocide after some real discussions between Turks and Armenians (not with racist diaspora and racist Turks)

    Genocide recognition and demanding territory or whatsoever are two different things. I supposed that if we accept the `genocide` we would make some sort of peace. What fool I am. So what are your other demands' please list.
    1. Ararat mountain?
    2. Eastern Anatolia (or Western Armenia )?
    3. Money? (how much do you want btw?)
    4. Revenge? (we can sacrifice 1.5 million people from Izmir if you want, they are lazy and useless)
    5. Turn back to central asia? (I think this is the optimum solution)

    My friend, really, what do you want from us exactly???

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    • #152
      Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

      [QUOTE=exfo;173574][QUOTE=Gunner14;173571]I'm done..... You win..... because you're absalutely right.. Turkey has no reason what so ever to recongize the Armenian genocide, or give anything to Armenia.....

      Turkey has many reasons to accpet its crime at history. And has reasons to accept the genocide after some real discussions between Turks and Armenians (not with racist diaspora and racist Turks)

      Genocide recognition and demanding territory or whatsoever are two different things. I supposed that if we accept the `genocide` we would make some sort of peace. What fool I am. So what are your other demands' please list.
      1. Ararat mountain?
      2. Eastern Anatolia (or Western Armenia )?
      3. Money? (how much do you want btw?)
      4. Revenge? (we can sacrifice 1.5 million people from Izmir if you want, they are lazy and useless)
      5. Turn back to central asia? (I think this is the optimum solution)

      My friend, really, what do you want from us exactly???
      Ideally.... mount Arart becomes border between turkey and armenia... and apology.... and favorible trading routs...

      Realistically... nothing! I guess I'm just trying to make right in my heart... what your ancestors did wrong..... and i'm not how or if it will ever happen....

      I don't want to talk about it anymore, it's pointless.... until the united states recognizes it and stirs some things up... it's pointless.... we will continue to lobby congress and so will you... and we willl just go back and forth....

      I think we have a small advantage because there are lots of us in the UNIteds states... and for the most part they like us here... so.... gradually more and more congressmen want to aprove.... just because our community in the states is pretty strong.... I don't care to get into sementics anymore....

      Turkey will NEVER admit any guilt or give any land.... only disslike ARmenians more and more and think we just acting like Judas... whatever... i dont care anymore... untill i join congress in like 20 years it doesnt really matter what i think about the subject...


      but i think we should just give the matter to an international court/mediator... let them decide... if they are like you and they think 1.5 million turks should die... then there you go.... i can be sarcastic too....
      Last edited by Gunner14; 04-28-2007, 12:02 AM.

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      • #153
        Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

        [QUOTE]1. Ararat mountain?
        2. Eastern Anatolia (or Western Armenia )?[QUOTE]

        hmmm...I also think they should give the lands as a compensation for genocide at least, coz as far as I know the population density is really low there anyway...What would turkey loose if they have given the lands back back exfo? nothing...I think the government needs to improve their image towards Armenians coz they hate turks so much...I sense way too much fanatizm at least on this forum...

        I sympatize all of your case and I understand the reasons why you are angry at turkey and you are right but I sense hypocritizm when you mention genocide and yet at the same time you have racism deep in your heart towards turks???What difference is there between fanatic armenians who hates turks and those who killed your people with cold blood???...

        For me, human rights is really precious.Therefore I have ultimate respect to those who are fighting for their rights and I support their case but they should show they lack racist attitudes.

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        • #154
          Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

          [QUOTE=gizzy;173579][QUOTE]1. Ararat mountain?
          2. Eastern Anatolia (or Western Armenia )?

          hmmm...I also think they should give the lands as a compensation for genocide at least, coz as far as I know the population density is really low there anyway...What would turkey loose if they have given the lands back back exfo? nothing...I think the government needs to improve their image towards Armenians coz they hate turks so much...I sense way too much fanatizm at least on this forum...

          I sympatize all of your case and I understand the reasons why you are angry at turkey and you are right but I sense hypocritizm when you mention genocide and yet at the same time you have racism deep in your heart towards turks???What difference is there between fanatic armenians who hates turks and those who killed your people with cold blood???...

          For me, human rights is really precious.Therefore I have ultimate respect to those who are fighting for their rights and I support their case but they should show they lack racist attitudes.


          I don't like people who generalize..... really??? I have the same racism that the Turks had ??? Are you kidding me???

          You don't know me .... and because I have a problem with the Turkish government you're saying I have the same hatred that the Turks did... pathetic...

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          • #155
            Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

            Originally posted by exfo View Post
            Originally posted by Gunner14 View Post
            I'm done..... You win..... because you're absalutely right.. Turkey has no reason what so ever to recongize the Armenian genocide, or give anything to Armenia.....
            Turkey has many reasons to accpet its crime at history. And has reasons to accept the genocide after some real discussions between Turks and Armenians (not with racist diaspora and racist Turks)

            Genocide recognition and demanding territory or whatsoever are two different things. I supposed that if we accept the `genocide` we would make some sort of peace. What fool I am. So what are your other demands' please list.
            1. Ararat mountain?
            2. Eastern Anatolia (or Western Armenia )?
            3. Money? (how much do you want btw?)
            4. Revenge? (we can sacrifice 1.5 million people from Izmir if you want, they are lazy and useless)
            5. Turn back to central asia? (I think this is the optimum solution)

            My friend, really, what do you want from us exactly???
            Well, obviously, the two things are connected. During the genocide, the Turks were trying to exterminate us, so, of course, they had to take us out of our land. Ararat is our homeland, our culture, our pride. I think it's common sense that Turkey has to give it back to us! Eastern Anatolia is Western Armenia... Anatolia doesn't mean "land of Turks" or whatever you think it means, so don't say "or Western Armenia". As for money, you tell me? Do the Germans give money to the xxxs? Revenge is unnecessary, and no one said they wanted 1.5 million Turks to die, so don't make up stereotypes. As for Turks and Central Asia, even though they belong there, and came from there, and barged into our land, it's not our decision, but the Turks' decision...

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            • #156
              Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

              [QUOTE=Gunner14;173593][QUOTE=gizzy;173579]
              You don't know me .... and because I have a problem with the Turkish government you're saying I have the same hatred that the Turks did... pathetic...
              oh please...one should be blind to not to see what am talking about so please stop acting...If you want proof there are many to see on this forum amd you all know it well...Even the first wellcome I had the waves of prejudice...You need a reminder? there you go:

              Gunner14:
              Congratulations on being Turkish and getting a collegiate education.

              Is Borat your boyfriend?

              What was the point of your post?

              I think you don't mean harm, but....

              You say one should think objectively and not judge on biases, yet when history books told you what monsters your ancestors were, you chose not believe it.....

              The Turks "explored" in the same way that the Vikings did.....

              Sorrry for the animosity, but it is well deserved.

              And, I love hearing that word "fairytale" from every Turkish poster... start using a thesaurus.

              Cheers

              arent these your words guner? They smell of hatret....Yess...you said sorry and I am really happy...I appreciate people can make mistakes but you insulted someone just coz you learnd she is turkish and that is whats called "racism"...I hope you change your mind sometime and try to evaluate people on individual basis next time...

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              • #157
                Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

                [QUOTE=gizzy;173652][QUOTE=Gunner14;173593]
                Originally posted by gizzy View Post

                oh please...one should be blind to not to see what am talking about so please stop acting...If you want proof there are many to see on this forum amd you all know it well...Even the first wellcome I had the waves of prejudice...You need a reminder? there you go:

                Gunner14:
                Congratulations on being Turkish and getting a collegiate education.

                Is Borat your boyfriend?

                What was the point of your post?

                I think you don't mean harm, but....

                You say one should think objectively and not judge on biases, yet when history books told you what monsters your ancestors were, you chose not believe it.....

                The Turks "explored" in the same way that the Vikings did.....

                Sorrry for the animosity, but it is well deserved.

                And, I love hearing that word "fairytale" from every Turkish poster... start using a thesaurus.

                Cheers

                arent these your words guner? They smell of hatret....Yess...you said sorry and I am really happy...I appreciate people can make mistakes but you insulted someone just coz you learnd she is turkish and that is whats called "racism"...I hope you change your mind sometime and try to evaluate people on individual basis next time...
                Anyway... gizzy, are you now convinced that there actually was an Armenian Genocide?

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                • #158
                  Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

                  [QUOTE=gizzy;173652][QUOTE=Gunner14;173593]
                  Originally posted by gizzy View Post

                  oh please...one should be blind to not to see what am talking about so please stop acting...If you want proof there are many to see on this forum amd you all know it well...Even the first wellcome I had the waves of prejudice...You need a reminder? there you go:

                  Gunner14:
                  Congratulations on being Turkish and getting a collegiate education.

                  Is Borat your boyfriend?

                  What was the point of your post?

                  I think you don't mean harm, but....

                  You say one should think objectively and not judge on biases, yet when history books told you what monsters your ancestors were, you chose not believe it.....

                  The Turks "explored" in the same way that the Vikings did.....

                  Sorrry for the animosity, but it is well deserved.

                  And, I love hearing that word "fairytale" from every Turkish poster... start using a thesaurus.

                  Cheers

                  arent these your words guner? They smell of hatret....Yess...you said sorry and I am really happy...I appreciate people can make mistakes but you insulted someone just coz you learnd she is turkish and that is whats called "racism"...I hope you change your mind sometime and try to evaluate people on individual basis next time...
                  Gunner, I'm sorry dude if I claim something you don't agree with^^ (MY opinion):
                  Do you really have no idea why this reaction is just logical, when turkish people sign in as members on our forums almost in a weekly basis? And I must tell you there are some of them who are not really trying to become friends with us.
                  So our behaviour is just a result of the several tries of your people, who were showing their disapproval of our aims...
                  You may have your own opinion, but his is not hatred my friend, this is justified dislike. Of course you shouldn't insult someone just because of the fact that he/she belongs to a disliked race/..., but if you keep in mind, that this is a forum where you can't be seen nor judged as a person right away (because I think you will agree with me if I say we have reasons to be suspicious) you might understand why the way we act seems a bit harsh. But this cannot be called hatred! That's like the only thing we are being accused of: "All of you are racists!"

                  And I think that it's okay to date Turkish Cypriot people (if they are not brainwashed!), but not marry them due to the political/cultural differences. Groom and bride wouldn't have that much of a nice time

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                  • #159
                    Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

                    [QUOTE=Esther;173697][QUOTE=gizzy;173652]
                    Originally posted by Gunner14 View Post

                    Gunner, I'm sorry dude if I claim something you don't agree with^^ (MY opinion):
                    Do you really have no idea why this reaction is just logical, when turkish people sign in as members on our forums almost in a weekly basis? And I must tell you there are some of them who are not really trying to become friends with us.
                    So our behaviour is just a result of the several tries of your people, who were showing their disapproval of our aims...
                    You may have your own opinion, but his is not hatred my friend, this is justified dislike. Of course you shouldn't insult someone just because of the fact that he/she belongs to a disliked race/..., but if you keep in mind, that this is a forum where you can't be seen nor judged as a person right away (because I think you will agree with me if I say we have reasons to be suspicious) you might understand why the way we act seems a bit harsh. But this cannot be called hatred! That's like the only thing we are being accused of: "All of you are racists!"

                    And I think that it's okay to date Turkish Cypriot people (if they are not brainwashed!), but not marry them due to the political/cultural differences. Groom and bride wouldn't have that much of a nice time

                    My comment on "Turks and collegiate" education was sarcastic.... sorry for causing confusion...

                    I stand by for my hatred of the historic Turks.... I can't quite judge them individual so i judge them based on the things they have "accomplished"

                    I don't have to justify myself to anyone.... you people act like you have no prejudices ....

                    Find me a single rational person without prejudices
                    and.... well find me one ......

                    if you claim u r a person without ANY prejudices... your full of crap

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                    • #160
                      Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

                      Originally posted by Էլիա View Post
                      Anyway... gizzy, are you now convinced that there actually was an Armenian Genocide?

                      Confess Gizzy! Lets repeat together: For the sake of Armenian diaspora, I confess that Turks made genocide to Armenians at 1915.

                      Otherwise no way of making a mature dialogue with them and they will continue to insult you.
                      I visited many countries in the world and I dont see that much narrow minded and racist community anywhere.


                      Dear Gunner,

                      You, esther and sev zeytun may be an exception here but just read what the rest of your people post here about Turks, once a second try to forget that "Turks made genocide to Armenians" and try to focus your peoples blind hatred. Then you will understand your reality. Personally I am sorry of your pains and sufferings because of us in the history. But nothing is an excuse for the hatred of the 4th or 5th generation towards another nation. Unfortunately diaspora is really obsessed with a sort of racism and hatred. Of course same for some Turks in Turkey, too. But you draw a so biased picture here that I dont mention the racist Turks here to make you see your own reality. (I always try to distinguish the diaspora and thr Armenians at Armenia because they are more mature, more open minded and sorry but more Armenian than you. Your people forget the good values of your asian, middle eastern and caucasian culture and become narrow minded and xenophobiac wersterners.)
                      Anyway, I also get bored, my accusations trigger yours and yours trigger mine. I would agree for an international mediator can find a solution between Turks & Armenians, but as you confess that you will make your best to promote your case with your lobby, this (probably western) mediator will be also biased because of the orientalistic reasons I counted above. My idea is that it would be better if Turks and Armenians COULD discuss their problems face to face together. But your diaspora also make its best to pressure Armenia (with supporting the nationalist groups like Kocaryan) and our stupid, obsessed groups in Turkey trigger the Armenian hatred here.
                      So lets wait and see what will happen, thanks for not insult me because of I amd Turkish and have a nice day all......
                      Last edited by exfo; 04-29-2007, 02:24 AM.

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