White people dating Armenian

[Lucin]

Re: White people dating Armenian

Oh, God... It's pretty weird and indigestible for me. I simply can't imagine such 'couples'. How can you Armos live with a Mexican, a Japanese, a Thai or a Black?? Ok, I know love is blind. But it's not just about falling in love, there are also some other important issues related to culture, mentality, lifestyle, etc. that come after and affect or shape greatly people's lives. And if you have grown up as an Armenian then you can hardly find any commonality with such cultures.

[Virgil]

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Oh, God... It's pretty weird and indigestible for me. I simply can't imagine such 'couples'. How can you Armos live with a Mexican, a Japanese, a Thai or a Black?? Ok, I know love is blind. But it's not just about falling in love, there are also some other important issues related to culture, mentality, lifestyle, etc. that come after and affect or shape greatly people's lives. And if you have grown up as an Armenian then you can hardly find any commonality with such cultures.

Lucin jan, come to Amerika, esta Armenians shune hetal kapren. Shat paskahyer estagh erantz 400 tari azg phahela "cluboom" moranumen. Parsik, musalman, Turk, Heria, Sev, Negh Ashk, yev Shun, heta kapren.

The extreme cases, yec, mehat achikem chananchum vor "she divorced" vor eta mehat Musalmani het vor eranetz 15 tari el metza, can you believe that? Also, I know this other "Achik" vor she "divorced" yev hema etuma "Hebrew school" vor dari Heria. You know why? Because musalman yev heria "were rich". Wow, that really ruins my confidence sometimes, hearing these stories. Yec, petka "es azgen pasphanem"? Would you if you were in my place? Hmm...I don't know, with "Nagorno-Karabagh 2" around the corner, this kind of actions demotivates anyone, including the "hard core nationalist" I am preceived to be. Yec ettam inzi zhoem vor mar "achiknara" etan Turk, Heria, yev Musalman kunen heto daren erantz xxxa.

[Lucin]

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Lucin jan, come to Amerika, esta Armenians shune hetal kapren.

No, thank you. From what I see and what I have heard about the US, I don't think I can survive in such a 'wild' society as the American one. But I might have a visit to see it for myself.

The extreme cases, yec, mehat achikem chananchum vor "she divorced" vor eta mehat Musalmani het vor eranetz 15 tari el metza, can you believe that? Also, I know this other "Achik" vor she "divorced" yev hema etuma "Hebrew school" vor dari Heria. You know why? Because musalman yev heria "were rich". Wow, that really ruins my confidence sometimes, hearing these stories. Yec, petka "es azgen pasphanem"? Would you if you were in my place? Hmm...I don't know, with "Nagorno-Karabagh 2" around the corner, this kind of actions demotivates anyone, including the "hard core nationalist" I am preceived to be. Yec ettam inzi zhoem vor mar "achiknara" etan Turk, Heria, yev Musalman kunen heto daren erantz xxxa.

Obviously, hearing some of these 'stories' are unpleasent surprises for me but thinking too much about them and concentrating on such Armenians would bring us nothing but disappointment, disgust, and a pessimist view of our country's future.

[Anonymouse]

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Oh, God... It's pretty weird and indigestible for me. I simply can't imagine such 'couples'. How can you Armos live with a Mexican, a Japanese, a Thai or a Black?? Ok, I know love is blind. But it's not just about falling in love, there are also some other important issues related to culture, mentality, lifestyle, etc. that come after and affect or shape greatly people's lives. And if you have grown up as an Armenian then you can hardly find any commonality with such cultures.

No! Love is not "blind." Whoever coined that phrase is a douche bag. Love, like anything else, is an idea, a state of mind. The feeling which we attribute with the idea of love is wholly of our own creation. It is of our will and choosing to "fall" in love with someone, or not. Before these feelings can even come to the fore and consume us, in fact, before any 'state of mind' we experience on this planet can take place, we always make a choice.

To presume otherwise as the "love is blind" crowd so vociferously likes to moan about, is to deny our will and rationality and accept the notion that we are nothing more than instinct based animals no better than beasts of burden that move upon every whim and impulse from hither and thither. Also, this "love is blind" notion gives all the selfish, indulgent and self-gratifying animals amongst us a reason to whore themselves around to satisfy their prurient interests.

[Lucin]

Re: White people dating Armenian

No! Love is not "blind." Whoever coined that phrase is a douche bag. Love, like anything else, is an idea, a state of mind. The feeling which we attribute with the idea of love is wholly of our own creation. It is of our will and choosing to "fall" in love with someone, or not.

I see your point which is kind of idealistic but wise at the same time. And I agree to a degree that it can be a choice but there is a feeling associated with the idea of love, now it can be rational or irrational...
Youngies rarely come to this realization in their younghood; for the majority of people, affaires of heart are all about irrationality, emotions, 'blindness' and unconsciousness.
And I am somewhere in between. Bad mistakes, I've made quite a few, but as I grow older this notion of 'love' becomes less and less 'blind' for me and gradually, I see things (and people) for what they really are...

[Virgil]

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I see your point which is kind of idealistic but wise at the same time. And I agree to a degree that it can be a choice but there is a feeling associated with the idea of love, now it can be rational or irrational...
Youngies rarely come to this realization in their younghood; for the majority of people, affaires of heart are all about irrationality, emotions, 'blindness' and unconsciousness.
And I am somewhere in between. Bad mistakes, I've made quite a few, but as I grow older this notion of 'love' becomes less and less 'blind' for me and gradually, I see things (and people) for what they really are...

I am speaking generally, your comments struck a nerve with me, this is not addressed to you, rather, it is addressed to women that pretend to have made "mistakes"...

No, people "don't make mistakes" and furthermore, at time of making this "mistake" of yours or people with similar "arguments", you should think about how these mistakes will affect your life in the future when the actions that constitute what you later "deem" a mistake are revealed to your romantic partner that you are potentially going to "marry" if things work out.

Mistakes have consequences. I have met so many Armenians that try to hide sexual promiscuous behavior under the banner of "it was a mistake". Vor du etum es xxx es darnum (Not specifically you, talking in general), me heto ari esta yev portzi "makoor" eravac. Armenian guys are not stupid nor gulllible, we know vor du ench es ara et sev, spital, negh aschk, yev lobiei het. xxxxxs are "xxxxxs" and a dignified woman with self respect is a "dignified woman with self respect", facts are facts, actions are actions, each decision has own sets of rewards and consequences. Don't try to make both lifestyle the same by opting to hide "xxxutioon" under the banner of "makoor achik that made a mistake", xxxa mesht xxx kamana. I have talked to many people about this and everyone agrees with me on my standards on what constitutes a "xxx".

Furthermore, any woman that claims that "hey, I did not know what was coming" is a big fat lier that needs to fess up and stop acting like she is "oblivious" to absolute laws of human nature. Woman know exactly who is the "nice guy" and who is the "xxxxxxx" or who is "serious" and who is just "using them". This is realty, yec sev, spitak, khaput, kharmir, yev khananch achik chem uzoom. I want my significant other to be hye, this is what I am shoting for, this is what I want, now, I can be a xxxxxxx and minipulate women to go out with me knowing full well that it will not work out, that is fine, but the reality is that this has intrinsic emotion consequences for me in the future. I basically am going to be the one that will have to "reveal" the "truth" to this woman that I lead her on knowing full well that I was never going to "take her seriously". On the part of the "hye achik" vor du etum es otar azgi het es aprum yev era het es "lav" antznoom, ematzi vor mehat lav "hye dghamart" will never take you seriously. I would never spend my life with a woman vor on the fundimental basis era azgi dghamartin dvachanara, I will never take otar azgi xxxa yev sharkem em "khenika". Certainly, as a guy, I know exactly what I want, we are well beyond this point, don't use the "justification" of "making mistakes" to hide the fact that your actions are actions that constitute what has socially been deemed "whorish", the bottomline, xxxxxs are xxxxxs, makoor is makoor. Yec esh chem, du esh ches, menk esh chenk.

[Anonymouse]

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I see your point which is kind of idealistic but wise at the same time. And I agree to a degree that it can be a choice but there is a feeling associated with the idea of love, now it can be rational or irrational...
Youngies rarely come to this realization in their younghood; for the majority of people, affaires of heart are all about irrationality, emotions, 'blindness' and unconsciousness.
And I am somewhere in between. Bad mistakes, I've made quite a few, but as I grow older this notion of 'love' becomes less and less 'blind' for me and gradually, I see things (and people) for what they really are...

There is nothing idealistic in what I stated. In fact, it is entirely what the "love is blind" crowd espouse that is idealistic, and what you seem to lean on. All it solidifies is that some people are more weak willed than others or more irrational. But there is never any point where we as humans do not act without a choice. Are you serious? Then what separates us from mere beasts? You, like others, are just rationalizing your bad choices. If you have made bad choices, fine, accept that, but do not blame it on some forces you could not control. Instead, assume responsibility for it was the choices you have made, as misinformed they may have been. You nevertheless were conscious throughout all that time so thereby you could not have acted without a choice.

Pay attention this dialogue from the movie Closer when one confesses to another of their cheating:

ALICE: I'm going.
DAN: I'm sorry.
ALICE: Irrelevant. What are you sorry for?
DAN: Everything.
ALICE: Why didn't you tell me before?
DAN: Cowardice.
ALICE: Is it because she's successful?
DAN: No, it's because she doesn't need me.
ALICE: Did you bring her here?
DAN: Yes.
ALICE: Didn't she get married?
DAN: She stopped seeing me.
ALICE: Was that when we went to the country to celebrate our third anniversary?
ALICE: Did you phone her, beg her to come back? when you went for lovely walks?
DAN: Yes.
ALICE: You're a piece of shit.
DAN: Deception is brutal. I'm not pretending otherwise.
ALICE: How? How does it work? How do you do this to someone?
Dan tries to think of an excuse.
ALICE: Not good enough.
DAN: I fell in love with her, Alice.
ALICE: Oh, as if you had no choice? There's a moment, there's always a moment, "I can do this, I can give in to this, or I can resist it." And I don't know when your moment was, but I bet you there was one.

[Lucin]

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I am speaking generally, your comments struck a nerve with me, this is not addressed to you, rather, it is addressed to women that pretend to have made "mistakes"...

Mistakes have consequences. I have met so many Armenians that try to hide sexual promiscuous behavior under the banner of "it was a mistake". Vor du etum es xxx es darnum (Not specifically you, talking in general), me heto ari esta yev portzi "makoor" eravac. Armenian guys are not stupid nor gulllible, we know vor du ench es ara et sev, spital, negh aschk, yev lobiei het.

Inchpes vor haskatsa, ko grkum s'khal@ miayn da e vor kin@ mi sevi, hryai kam mexicati, mi khoskov odari het haraberutyun unena. Inchu??? Bayts s'khal@ yes et imastov bolorovin chei @nkalum kani vor ayl-azgi martkants het haraberutyun steghtselu khntir@ arten pakvats harts e. S'khal@ karogh e urish bnuyt el kri (vor bolorovin antesumes), da chi miayn sahmanapakvum xxxxx linelu mech, inchpes vor du es @nkalum da...

@nthanur armamb hamatsaynem khoskit het, bayts miayn kanants khntirner@ n'shetsir.

You, like others, are just rationalizing your bad choices. If you have made bad choices, fine, accept that, but do not blame it on some forces you could not control. Instead, assume responsibility for it was the choices you have made, as misinformed they may have been. You nevertheless were conscious throughout all that time so thereby you could not have acted without a choice.

No rationalization; when you say a mistake then it means a bad choice.( And it reminded me of Sartre)
However I admit that emotions sometimes overcome my rational side but it's all human I assume, and fades away as you get older.

Oh, as if you had no choice? There's a moment, there's always a moment, "I can do this, I can give in to this, or I can resist it." And I don't know when your moment was, but I bet you there was one.

Now, to look it the other way, would this make the woman's initial choice (to choose to be with this man) a "mistake" or a "bad choice" too? After all, she made a choice too…

[Armenian]

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I am speaking generally, your comments struck a nerve with me, this is not addressed to you, rather, it is addressed to women that pretend to have made "mistakes"...

Virgil you are treating people like machines, not humans. Yes, humans make mistakes, they many-many mistakes in a life time. There are many domestic, societal and personal reasons why people make mistakes. God knows how many mistakes you have made... Women make mistakes because women are raised wrong. In the West women are raised as sexual objects, in the Middle East they are raised as possessions. And men are by far the worst in the category of making "mistakes," for men don't make "mistakes" - they know very well what they are doing. And yes, love is blind. Blind in that when a couple, for whatever reason, want to be together, they will disregard societal constraints such as race or religion, especially if they were raised without ethnocentrism or religion. They key here is raising children with ethnocentrism and culture. Anyway, this is turning into a silly debate. We Armenians simply need to learn to raise our children as patriotic Armenians and we need to create a viable connection to our homeland. Living as an Armenians in the diaspora without a connection to the homeland is pointless and hopeless. Armenian "nationalists" need to think about repatriating to Armenia - not worrying about who diasporan Armenians are marrying...

[Virgil]

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Armenian "nationalists" need to think about repatriating to Armenia - not worrying about who diasporan Armenians are marrying...

Armenian, do you understand fundimentally what I am doing? What my goal is on this forum? Have you ever thought why is this person attacking every idea, every person? I am sure you have. Let me answer your question, you can not command armies and have a patriotic front if you have Armenians that on the micro level sell themselves short. You can not ask Armenian xyz to pick a up a khalishnikov and fight for the Armenian cause when they look around yev, erank menak bana vor tesnomen, ena vor eratzn azgi pachcatza. And understand, fundimentally men are not motivated by anything other then the idea that their children, women, people, and land (In the order!) are threatened. It is the micro level, it is the individual that is reading my words, that is downloading my ideas that will muster enough courage to do the right thing. You and know exactly what we want, what our interests, and maybe some of them intersect, but for the most part, we both want to have a strong state above anything else. However, what you fail to realize and what many seem to ignore is that at the basic level to have a "strong state" the people within the state and abroad that champion the state, must bolster values that are conducive to state building.

Assuming you are this "unique" and "cultured" Armenian people, when in fact your identity whether determined blood or social construction can be replaced and for the most part, is being infused with alien matter, will lead to the decline of the Armenian people and to summerize Toynbee, states and people that fail to confront challenges will go into decline. Your failure to address these ideas and challenge them on a micro level will lead to the decline and stagnation of the Armenian people. Correction, first it is stagnation, which we are currently confronted with, then it is decline, and ,finally, it is extinction.

Understand, in war the first targets that invading armies attack once they capture territory are the women of the opposing state. They rape them to make sure that future generations are demoralized and they rape them to, most importantly, demoralize the defensive army. If you at the core are not willing to protect and maintain the sanctity and purity of "Ko azgi Khaniknara" then at the core you have lost your national pride. Let me ask you, how motivated would you have been to have known that during the genocide Armenian men converted to Islam and Armenian women willingly gave themselves to Turks? How would this affect the pschology of the Armenian orphan and people, when they had to look back for strength only to find that their mothers and fathers on the basic level betrayed their people? It would destroy them, the Ottoman Empire would have truly owned them then. They championed strong Armenian beliefs because they heard the story of the women that "throw themselves" in the "get", they heard of the men and women that fought against the genocide and the ravages of it, this motivates the micro individual to upholding a cause. If you allow people to piss in your pot then eventually that pot becomes so vile and dirty it becomes worthless, so why protect it? Man is motivated by interests, we are at the base animals, we don't understand this "grandiouse" ideas that some of the "intellectuals" or "half wits" try to promote.