Armenia and Byzantium

[Behelit]

Re: Armenia and Byzantium

At various times Byzantine-Armenian relations could be described as cordial and cooperative, however, at other times they were quite hostile. The large Armenian contingents within the Imperial army and their officers, who were of Armenian nobility, were often accused by the Byzantines of having their allegiances elsewhere and thus, considered unreliable. Concurrently, severe theological disputes further strained relations at various times. The theological disputes primarily stemmed from the almost fanatical desire or obsession of the Byzantine Orthodox Church to incorporate the national church of Armenia which belonged to the eastern branch of Orthodoxy and was considered heretical by the Byzantine Church. As Armenian nationalists stubbornly held on to their national sovereignty the situation between the two principal Christian peoples of the Byzantine Empire worsened incrementally.

Sorry but this look very negative ... let's not forget :

In 571 the Byzentium came in help to Armenia against the Persians who invaded Armenia.

In 837 Byzentium fight the Arabs in Armenia.

1067 , Kars is "given" to the Byzentine Empire to defend it against the Seldjouks.

Too bad Byzantium and Armenia had religious disagreements.Religion played a too big part in Costantinopolis to be ruled correctly.

13. Vasily (Basil) the II Bulgaroboyts (Bulgar Slayer) 976-1025.

Βουλγαροκτόνος was really the best Byzantine ruler.

[RSNATION]

Re: Armenia and Byzantium

Good posts Armenian! (y)

I agree.

[AR MENIA]

Re: Armenia and Byzantium

Good posts Armenian! (y)

[Mos]

Re: Armenia and Byzantium

One similarity is the head covering that the priests wear of Armenian churches which is very similar to the Byzantine ones.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Armenia and Byzantium

Movie entitled "East of Byzantium" to be featured as part of Hamazkayin fundraiser. http://www.ArmenianCalendar.com/?showevent=1659

http://www.eastofbyzantium.com/

[garod]

Re: Armenia and Byzantium

No, you don't need my permission. I was simply trying to see the logic behind it. I guess there was none. Why am I not surprised...

You can continue to your sentence. I just wanted to write and share. It is not important for me that logical or not. I am not wall as you and live and do everything how I feel and want.

I don't say that Turks who prefered to belong Islam and then converted to Christianity.I do not insist on It is right or wrong. There are also Gregorian Turks and according to another article some of them were Armenianizated.Some surnames as Demirjian,Koçaryan,Boyaciyan have got Turkish roots;clothes,folks,musics,foods,beliefs,some signs on graves are so similiar according to research in mentioned article.Also article mention that they haven't got any aim.Here is link :http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:t...lnk&cd=1&gl=tr

Anyway I let you with your topic.

[Armenian]

Re: Armenia and Byzantium

Why I posted? Reason is connection which happened in my mind. Sorry, I forgot to ask you before writing.Can I answer with your permission? Due to religious relations and struggles between Byzantium-Assyrians and Armenia reminded this article to me.

No, you don't need my permission. I was simply trying to see the logic behind it. I guess there was none. Why am I not surprised...

I haven't deep knowledge regarding sociopolitical factors in the 19th century but know that people doesn't change their religion only under pressure.For example, There were Turks who chose Judaism (Khazars) and Christianity (In Moldovia - Gagavuz without pressure. Also when we look the Balkans, Bosnian and Albanians chose Islam due to some economical and political reasons ( less tax, economical advantages ). So It is possible that some turkic publics changed their religion.Being Turkic doesn't mean that their religion was Islam.Also why some turkic publics cannot chose to be Gregorian?

You are speaking nonsense. Christians in the Ottoman Empire converted to Islam to escape persecution and heavy taxes. Now, what reason would an Islamic Turk have in the 19th century to convert to Christianity, let alone Armenian Christian? Like I said, it's nonsense. In reality, some Turkic tribes in the region converted to Christianity during the late middle ages, before the rise of the Ottomans.

Maybe you are one of them , who knows

Yeah OK, now please get lost

[garod]

Re: Armenia and Byzantium

Some of your assertions regarding ethnicity and religion are somewhat plausible. However, explain this to me: what kind of sociopolitical factors in the 19th century would force an Islamic Turk, a subject of the powerful Ottoman Empire, to convert over to Armenian Christianity? It's like saying: There were Nazis in German during the 1930s that chose to convert to Judaism... It's nonsense. It would have made more sense had the article suggested that some Turkic tribes were converted into Christianity during medieval times, when the Ottoman Empire had not rose to prominence yet. Besides, what does this matter have to do with the topic of this thread?

Why I posted? Reason is connection which happened in my mind. Sorry, I forgot to ask you before writing.Can I answer with your permission?

Due to religious relations and struggles between Byzantium-Assyrians and Armenia reminded this article to me.
I haven't deep knowledge regarding sociopolitical factors in the 19th century but know that people doesn't change their religion only under pressure.For example, There were Turks who chose Judaism (Khazars) and Christianity (In Moldovia - Gagavuz without pressure. Also when we look the Balkans, Bosnian and Albanians chose Islam due to some economical and political reasons ( less tax, economical advantages ). So It is possible that some turkic publics changed their religion.Being Turkic doesn't mean that their religion was Islam.Also why some turkic publics cannot chose to be Gregorian? Maybe you are one of them , who knows

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Armenia and Byzantium

Another recent take on the impact of Byzantium. http://globalpolitician.com/24130-history-byzantium

[jgk3]

Re: Armenia and Byzantium

nice thread Armenian.