Why couldn't Armenians....

[Armenian]

Re: Why couldn't Armenians....

"Imam" is Arabic for "leader" used in a spiritual context. "Bayildi" means "fainted." Imam Bayildi = Imam Fainted.

The legend of the dish is as follows: An imam, an Islamic leader, somewhere within Asia Minor asked his Christian subjects to bring him a tasty dish he had never tried before... Someone did. The imam ate it... As the story goes, the dish was so good that the Imam fainted in delight. Thereafter, the dish in question was called "the imam fainted" - Imam Bayldi.

[Palavra]

Re: Why couldn't Armenians....

Turks by culture are conquerers,

Oh realy? So tell me, which nation did not try to conquer other states? We just did it better.

Islam by nature is expansionist.

Yeah, Yeah. After all christianity is not expansionists and crusaders are muslims.. Ah lets, also does not forget muslim missionaries. Oh sorry, we have not muslim missionaries. There are christian missionairies and They are trying to expand christianity..

I would say Turkey is the most imperialistically driven country in this world, just as its ottoman forefather.

So tell me, where Turkey is trying to expand?

Armenians were too kind in history. Most of the time, we wanted to live in peace.

That is why you supported most cruel armies like mongols and crusaders?

Most of the time, we defended ourselves. We were not the agressors.

So tell me when was adana an armenian city? Also armenians had no (It is not wish.)capacity to expand.

The legend of the dish is as follows: An imam, an Islamic leader, somewhere within Asia Minor asked his Christian subjects to bring him a tasty dish he had never tried before... Someone did. The imam ate it... As the story goes, the dish was so good that the Imam fainted in delight. Thereafter, the dish in question was called "the imam fainted" - Imam Bayldi.

Haha good story. It is funny people changed name of this dish just because of an imam. Oh after all, at past, Every people had internet and they learnt that imam fainted. So every armenian changed name of dish. Hmmm. Sensible. Good and realist story..

So what about vezir parmagı? do you have a story for it too?

[yerazhishda]

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He means the western elite's 20th century experimentation/flirtation with no borders/globalism is failing and more-and-more nations, like those in Eastern Europe, are beginning to rediscover their cultural/national heritage...

Right, yerazhishda?

Correct, Armenian.

[yerazhishda]

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Oh realy? So tell me, which nation did not try to conquer other states? We just did it better.

Yeah, by backstabbing, murdering, raping, and robing your friends in order to get ahead. Sorry, Armenians have class about it; they fight their enemies face to face and hold no pretenses of "friendship".

Yeah, Yeah. After all christianity is not expansionists and crusaders are muslims.. Ah lets, also does not forget muslim missionaries. Oh sorry, we have not muslim missionaries. There are christian missionairies and They are trying to expand christianity..

In terms of a nation, Christianity is not expansionist in the same why that you are thinking. Private organizations do send missionaries to Africa and whatnot but they are not connected to any government. By contrast, Islam is officially connected with many governments over the Middle East including Turkey, the most insidious Muslim nation because it pretends as if it's "secular". If Turkey is so 'secular', how come you have to have your religion on your Identification Cards? The Turkish government is very discriminatory towards 'dhimmis', just admit it.

So tell me, where Turkey is trying to expand?

It already expanded after the Genocide by illegally expropriating Armenian and Assyrian land.

That is why you supported most cruel armies like mongols and crusaders?

Crusaders, maybe but Armenia has never supported mongols like Turks and Azerbaboons.[/QUOTE]

[Armenian]

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Crusaders, maybe but Armenia has never supported mongols like Turks and Azerbaboons.

Well, Clician Armenians were very close allies of the Mongols... Incidentally, Mongols were one of the worst enemies Turks have ever had.

[Federate]

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The Mongols conquered Armenia and pillaged much of it so we did suffer a lot from them.

However, after the devastation, Cilician Armenia was able to survive the Mongol onslaught and even strategically ally itself with it thanks to the brilliant diplomatic skills of Hetoum I. Another Armenian kingdom that survived and had good relations with the Mongols is Khachen, a principality that was found in modern-day NKR (the so-called "buffer zones" included of course) and Syunik.

[Palavra]

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Yeah, by backstabbing, murdering, raping, and robing your friends in order to get ahead. Sorry, Armenians have class about it; they fight their enemies face to face and hold no pretenses of "friendship".

Well. History is full of backstabbing murdering raping ext.

By the way arent armenians also backstabed each other at past? So It is funny to claim armenians have honour when they are attacking each other..

Anyway when It comes to friendship, A friendship cannot survive forever and It is not broken by only ottomans. did not armenians try to kill patisah of ottomans? So how is this friendship..

In terms of a nation, Christianity is not expansionist in the same why that you are thinking.

Realy? so what about crusaders and christian kings or lords who attack other nonchristians.. Muslim countries attacked other countries(like all countries at past.) but Muslims did not joined to attack other religions. Even when crusaders are attacking and killing muslims, muslims did not begin a joint attack or defence.. No when It comes to expansionism, Christianity is absolutely more expansionist. Africa or america is proof of this.Oh even europea is proof ot this. Tell me which european country is fight against crusaders because they are shamans..

Private organizations do send missionaries to Africa and whatnot but they are not connected to any government.

No they are connected with pope.

By contrast, Islam is officially connected with many governments over the Middle East including Turkey, the most insidious Muslim nation because it pretends as if it's "secular".

Afterall europeans countries are secular. That is why they have a good feeling about a big muslim majority nations? Also lets not forget, states follow their benefits not their religions.

You should now it better. Most religious county at islamic world is ally of armenia and against their shia brothers. Just guess which country it is? So where is this expansionism?

If Turkey is so 'secular', how come you have to have your religion on your Identification Cards?

How can USA have their god over their money? how can greece have their church at their main law? You can find other examples too..

The Turkish government is very discriminatory towards 'dhimmis', just admit it.

Lets say against minorities but You know, at last elections minorities showed great support for Turkish goverment. irony?

Crusaders, maybe but Armenia has never supported mongols like Turks and Azerbaboons

Infact, you did.

[KnightsofAr]

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[Armenian]

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The Mongols conquered Armenia and pillaged much of it so we did suffer a lot from them.

They did not do anything to Armenia that other invading armies like the Romans, Persians, Assyrians, Arabs, Byzantines had not done before... Yes, Mongols were ruthless towards those that opposed them, wiping out entire cities that attempted to fight back. But they were also very loyal towards those that allied with them. They were great administrators and warriors and they also allowed free trade and freedom of religion. Something we Armenians also seem to forget is that Mongols were the scourge of Turks throughout Eurasia, they were allied to Cilician Armenia and for a time period a portion of them were even converted to Christianity... History has not treated the Mongols in a fair light.

[Armanen]

Re: Why couldn't Armenians....

There were even Armenians at the Mongol Imperial court who served as doctors, translators and even as clergy to the Christian members of the Mongol imperial family.