Origin of Armenian Surnames

[Sasun]

Re: Origin of Armenian Surnames

Gentlemen, I believe we are all on the same page. Arguments and so on are natural. We all have our own ideas, each and every one of us has a point of view. I'm sure we can't agree on everything under the sun. But we can always keep our DIGNITY! There is no reason to use the f word all the time. It shows a lack of class. As I said, I just expect Armenians to show more class.

[Sako]

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Sasun, I've been wanting to say this for some time. It may be considered banter, but it's often offensive. There are also better things to do and talk about than hatred.

Hatred towards who? If we're talking about fights between Armenians then let's also talk about why they started. Some Armenians here acted like complete imbecils and they got what they deserved. Overall, I get your drift though Sasun and Moogey. Sometimes, fights and all are pointless but in many cases, they aren't.

[Moogey]

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Hi, I joined this forum recently. I have posted in other threads, unfortunately, I find most threads to be a few years old. Interesting nevertheless.
Saco wouldn't Kakat be top? as in mountain top? Sorry to spoil the fun for you. Armenian names were for the most part descriptive. Of a necessity because for quite some time Armenians went with only one name. The descriptive usually was tagged on by neighbors and not always complementary. And don't forget, names change due to pronounciation, language,etc.
Finally, I would appreciate if ALL Armenians kept their dignity. No matter the idiot, nor the crap posted, nor the language used. Please do not lower yourselves to their level. I've been reading just too much lately and I expect better from Armenians.

Sasun, I've been wanting to say this for some time. It may be considered banter, but it's often offensive. There are also better things to do and talk about than hatred.

[Sako]

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Were does the myth come from there was a time that people had one name? I hear it all the time and believe me it's not true look at history and the names and there you will see what it the names were. Here in Europe people think they got a surname because of Napoleon? Who can they think that and don't look at their history

There was a time when Armenians had one name but probably only in villages and small towns. I doubt the majority was that way. I will go deeper into the subject matter. It is interesting for me.

[Sako]

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Saco my friend,

Please do not take offence! What I was trying to say is that pronounciations change, spellings change. I've travelled quite a bit and I've seen some odd things done to Armenian names, that's all. I've many Armenians in the US whose names were translated to English because the Judge at Ellis Island couldn't pronounce their names. Also, those immigrating to the west from Arab lands had to put up with mispelling of their names due to transliteration. I know 5 brothers with 5 different names none very complemantary when dissected. But, that was the only way they could escape from a war, and now they are stuck with those names.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I just give people the benefit of the doubt before I tear them apart.

I take all you said into account before posting anything yekhpayr. Don't worry. Regarding your last line ... I don't/didn't tear apart anyone, lol. I love my people .... even though they've done some things that are beyond understanding

Saco, I do not doubt your pedigree for a minute. On pronounciations of Armenian origins I bow to your superior knowledge. But I ask you to consider all angles before you blow a stack because frankly it's not worth it. I don't know if I made myself clear.

More or less ! And I'm not all that yekhpayr but when it comes to these names, I have personally met the people carrying them and even they were embarrassed when using their last names. Many of these names have come from books dating back more then a century. Imatsi Sasun jan, inchvor yes asumem, kapchuni vortegh, galisa miyain portsits. They aren't opinions and they don't come from my very broad imagination.

Kkakkatikyan for example belonged to an Officer in the Armenian Army. Don't know what happened to him (he's probably there now as well) but that was his last name. Imagine how much he got teased when he wasn't around?
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Terkkunyan belonged to someone I knew in India.
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Kunemyan belongs to someone in South Africa.

Etc.......

By the way where does the IAN come from? Are we going to fight about this?

Why ? I haven't been fighting with you so far bro. I hope that's not the impression I gave you. On the contrary, it's been fun having this conversation. Please continue. Regarding IAN, let's leave that for another thread, lol.

wouldn't there be a hyphen though? like Ter-Petrossian?

Some names aren't that way. Frankly speaking, in the case of Terkkunyan, it doesn't matter. Break it up or stick it together. The name remains the same.

[ara87]

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That explains what the last name Terkkunyan means perfectly ! Thanks, lol.

wouldn't there be a hyphen though? like Ter-Petrossian?

[Sasun]

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Saco my friend,

Please do not take offence! What I was trying to say is that pronounciations change, spellings change. I've travelled quite a bit and I've seen some odd things done to Armenian names, that's all. I've many Armenians in the US whose names were translated to English because the Judge at Ellis Island couldn't pronounce their names. Also, those immigrating to the west from Arab lands had to put up with mispelling of their names due to transliteration. I know 5 brothers with 5 different names none very complemantary when dissected. But, that was the only way they could escape from a war, and now they are stuck with those names.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I just give people the benefit of the doubt before I tear them apart. Especially Armenians. And please, Armenians having one name is not a myth. The second name was usually descriptive, or a connection to the father, i.e. so and so's son.
Saco, I do not doubt your pedigree for a minute. On pronounciations of Armenian origins I bow to your superior knowledge. But I ask you to consider all angles before you blow a stack because frankly it's not worth it. I don't know if I made myself clear.
By the way where does the IAN come from? Are we going to fight about this?

[KarotheGreat]

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Were does the myth come from there was a time that people had one name? I hear it all the time and believe me it's not true look at history and the names and there you will see what it the names were. Here in Europe people think they got a surname because of Napoleon? Who can they think that and don't look at their history

[Sako]

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Sasun jan,

First off, I am not having "fun"! I am disgusted inside although I must also admit that it's hard not to laugh. How could someone's last name be Kunemyan for example? Gomeshyan? xxxoyan? Etc.

Second off, I am a pure Armenian born in Armenia, both my parents are Armenian, I live in Armenia after lot's of travelling, and I think I know how to pronounce words and I know what Armenian names are like, how they were used, how they ARE used, etc. I didn't just blindly post these names...

Regarding Kakat ... no my friend ... GAGAT is what your talking about. Mountain top right? Here, it is Kkakkatikyan ... pronounced that way too. Hard to believe? Well believe it brother, it's real. There is no explanation so stop searching for one, lol. Some things are just freakin strange. And finally regarding neighbors doing this or that ... that's not very probable in most cases!

[Sasun]

Re: Origin of Armenian Surnames

Hi, I joined this forum recently. I have posted in other threads, unfortunately, I find most threads to be a few years old. Interesting nevertheless.
Saco wouldn't Kakat be top? as in mountain top? Sorry to spoil the fun for you. Armenian names were for the most part descriptive. Of a necessity because for quite some time Armenians went with only one name. The descriptive usually was tagged on by neighbors and not always complementary. And don't forget, names change due to pronounciation, language,etc.
Finally, I would appreciate if ALL Armenians kept their dignity. No matter the idiot, nor the crap posted, nor the language used. Please do not lower yourselves to their level. I've been reading just too much lately and I expect better from Armenians.