Hitler's plan to invade Turkey...

[Osttruppen]

Operation "Gertrud", this is a historical fact, Adolf Hitler had a plan to destroy tURKEY in 1943, as most of our stupid Armenian historians say, "If Germans weren't stopped by Stalingrad in 1943 turks would invade Armenia because they were allies of Germany", this point of view is an absolute lie! It's a comunist propaganda which's working till this day, how could turks be allies of Germany if there was a German plan of destroying turkey? I'd like to read the thoughts of smart Armenian members who are not looking at this like "hey! dirty nazi pig! stop your propaganda here!" Those who are stupid and have no facts I ask not to post at this thread.

[skhara]

Re: Hitler's plan to invade tURKEY...

Operation "Gertrud", this is a historical fact, Adolf Hitler had a plan to destroy tURKEY in 1943,

The internet has a ton of information. I googled this "Operation Gertrud"

tried several different spellings. There is, as a matter of fact almost no information regarding this.

There was no such plan -- the only thing I would give it is a thought or suggestion, that's all. Although I'm sure there was a "plan" for the USA as well.

I'm all ears though: you have any evidence for this claim?

as most of our stupid Armenian historians say, "If Germans weren't stopped by Stalingrad in 1943 turks would invade Armenia because they were allies of Germany"

Actually, these historians are not so stupid at all. For one, "alliance" has nothing to do with the fact. In 1942-1943 Hitler was already in trouble -- a Turkish incursion into the Caucasus would have been a blessing for the Germans as it would have brought relief on them. As a matter of fact, the turks had signed "friendship pacts" with both the "allies" and the "axis" and Hitler always prefered to win satelite states rather than military conflict.

What purpose would the destruction of turkey serve to the third reich's imperialist interest?

[D3ADSY]

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Osttruppen, do you know of any surviving veterans in Armenia that served in any branch of the German armed forces during WWII?

[Osttruppen]

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Osttruppen, do you know of any surviving veterans in Armenia that served in any branch of the German armed forces during WWII?

Sure I know, I have met an old men from Vanadzor in 2005, there are some other people too but I dont know them, I have information about Armenians who have served in Wehrmacht and SS, I have photos too.

[Osttruppen]

Re: Hitler's plan to invade tURKEY...

The internet has a ton of information. I googled this "Operation Gertrud"

tried several different spellings. There is, as a matter of fact almost no information regarding this.

There was no such plan -- the only thing I would give it is a thought or suggestion, that's all. Although I'm sure there was a "plan" for the USA as well.

I'm all ears though: you have any evidence for this claim?



Actually, these historians are not so stupid at all. For one, "alliance" has nothing to do with the fact. In 1942-1943 Hitler was already in trouble -- a Turkish incursion into the Caucasus would have been a blessing for the Germans as it would have brought relief on them. As a matter of fact, the turks had signed "friendship pacts" with both the "allies" and the "axis" and Hitler always prefered to win satelite states rather than military conflict.

What purpose would the destruction of turkey serve to the third reich's imperialist interest?

If you read Russian, find the newly published book of Eduard Abrahamyan called "Forgotten Legion", he has studied German archives for years, I dont have the book now but when I get it this couple of days I'll give you the exact source from where he found the information about operation "Gertrud".

P.S. some Russians in Stormfront didnt believe Operation "Gertrud", but they could somehow find info about it, I mean it's possible to find it, try to find the list of all operations planned by German Army.

[skhara]

Re: Hitler's plan to invade tURKEY...

So when were the NAZIs supposed to have drawn up this plan?

Who was to carry out the invasion?

[Osttruppen]

Re: Hitler's plan to invade tURKEY...

So when were the NAZIs supposed to have drawn up this plan?

Who was to carry out the invasion?

It was planned that till 1943 German Army would enter Transcaucasus, Armenia and Georgia would gain independance (there were Armenian and Georgian exile governments in Berlin waiting Armenia and Georgia to be liberated), when oil of Baku would be in the hands of Germans, Armenian Georgian armies from East, and Bulgarian, Greek and German armees from Greece and Bulgaria would invade turks. It was planned that turkey would be divided to sectors, Greek sector, Armenian(our historical lands and even more), and Georgian, which would be a part of Trapezund vilayet.

[skhara]

Re: Hitler's plan to invade tURKEY...

If you read Russian, find the newly published book of Eduard Abrahamyan called "Forgotten Legion", he has studied German archives for years, I dont have the book now but when I get it this couple of days I'll give you the exact source from where he found the information about operation "Gertrud".

I was hoping you knew of some online resource that would give information regarding this. I wouldn't even know where to start looking for this book.

P.S. some Russians in Stormfront didnt believe Operation "Gertrud", but they could somehow find info about it, I mean it's possible to find it, try to find the list of all operations planned by German Army.

Ok then please ask your Russian stormfront buddies who found it, to forward you the info if they could and pass it along.

It was planned that till 1943 German would enter Transcaucasus, Armenia and Georgia would gain independance (there were Armenian and Georgian exile governments in Berlin waiting Armenia and Georgia to be liberated),

What about Azerbaijan? As far as I know Azeris were also in NAZI units.

[skhara]

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and Bulgarian, Greek and German armees from Greece and Bulgaria would invade turks.

This is why its improtant to establism what year they made that plan? While Bulgaria was an axis nation, Greece was not.

Just what army of Greeks would have been at the German disposal? At the time there was an extremely brutal isurection going on in Greece aimed at the German occupation. Greeks and Serbs were greatly responsible for the woes of the Third Reich's imperialist ambitions.

After the expulsion of the German forces from Greece, the Greek partisans went on to publicly hang women who had affairs with occupying Germans with signs reading "Prositute".

[ArmenianKid]

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I for one am glad it didn't go down.

Turks or not, no one deserved the treatment they got under the german's rule.