Hitler's plan to invade Turkey...

[Osttruppen]

Re: Hitler's plan to invade tURKEY...

First, the fact that it was in 1941 already makes me skeptical about the Greek aspect because there was already an insurgency going on against German and Italian forces.

Also, do you know what month this meeting took place? I am assuming it was before the commencement of Operatio Barberrosa, but was it before Operation Punishment?

Greeks were fighting Germans, I accept, but we should mention that all that most important resistance units were comunists, and sooner or later they would be defeated by Germans if the war at Eastern Front went different. Then we should also count that Germans were not going to keep Greece occupied forever, soon there would be established a nationalist government.
Would Greeks agree to enter a war against turks if they knew Germans are going to help them, and they will have other allies too? I think yes, because till this day Greeks miss the imperial city of Constantinopole...

About month: as far as I remember meeting happened in the december of 1941, war had started and Germans had almost no problems in Eastern Front.
General Dro took part in that meeting too I think, and other members of Armenian comunity, Ardashes Abeghian, and some other people too, which names I dont remember now.

[Կարմիր Բ]

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but as we know Germans failed in Stalingrad...

They didn't fail, they were gangbanged in all their holes from the glorious Red Army.

[Armenian]

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They didn't fail, they were gangbanged in all their holes from the glorious Red Army.

When you grow up and decide to seriously study the various military aspects of the Second World War, you will see that in reality it was the so-called Red Army that got "gangbanged" by the German Whermacht from the opening stages of the war in 1941 even to the end in 1945.

Germany lost due to bad poilitcs, nothing else.

[Osttruppen]

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They didn't fail, they were gangbanged in all their holes from the glorious Red Army.

Thank you for your wonderful contribution to my thread mr Lenin! It's really wonderfull to see that you! glorious leader of world proletariat turned your attention to us! How is tovarischch Marx? Please tell him our Greetings, and also tell our Greetings to mr generalisimo Josef Jughashvili, we Armenians still remember him with tears of love when we remember how he gave our lands as present to our beloved neighbour turks.

[Կարմիր Բ]

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The NAZIS wanted to collaborate with the Turks against Armenia. Just after Stalingrad, in case the Fascists won, the Turks would have invaded Armenia in order to unify with the rest of the Turkic states, which was always their wet dream. Armenia knew that and was already making war preparations. Too bad the Turks, like the Nazis, are too cowards to invade before the battle of Stalingrad because that would give the perfect pretext for the Red Army to invade and recover Western Armenia. Just after the world war Stalin demanded Kars and the rest of the lost areas of Armenia, that was one of the reasons why Turkey joined the NATO.

To sum it up, the Nazis were the allies of the Turks and thus our enemies, they are responsible for death of 300.000 of our countrymen and I am proud that one of the first battalions that entered in Berlin was the Armenian one, dancing armenian folklore songs for our victory in Berlin, the people's victory against fascism.

Kursk, Stalingrad, Leningrad, Berlin

[Illuminator]

Re: Hitler's plan to invade tURKEY...

When you grow up and decide to seriously study the various military aspects of the Second World War, you will see that in reality it was the so-called Red Army that got "gangbanged" by the German Whermacht from the opening stages of the war in 1941 even to the end in 1945.

Germany lost due to bad poilitcs, nothing else.

That's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. And a real insult to the Armenians who fought in those battles, many of which lost their lives.

As to the topic at hand, turkey spent the war playing the w.hore...trying to be sure to side with whoever would come out the winner. But turkey did help the Germans, just like they always work with the Germans. The Germans didn't care about anyone besides themselves and I doubt they were serious about any promises to anyone.

[skhara]

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The Germans didn't care about anyone besides themselves and I doubt they were serious about any promises to anyone.

I would present that as a definite reality. Germans had their own interests in mind, as they should mind you. I can see them making promises to Armenians and making deals with turks at the exact same time. The third reich was nothing other than an imperialist force who just as the prior Germany, wanted their "place in the Sun".

If, in fact, the meeting took place in 1941, that throws up a major red flag for me because precisely in 1941, is when Germans would have been looking at all the manpower they could muster given that in december 1941, Operation Barberrossa, turned into a failure and a protracted war was set in motion -- one in which the German side was outmanned, outsourced, and outgunned.

[Armenian]

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That's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard.

No, I am sure you have heard more ridiculous things before.

[Armenian]

Re: Hitler's plan to invade tURKEY...

I would present that as a definite reality. Germans had their own interests in mind, as they should mind you. I can see them making promises to Armenians and making deals with turks at the exact same time. The third reich was nothing other than an imperialist force who just as the prior Germany, wanted their "place in the Sun". If, in fact, the meeting took place in 1941, that throws up a major red flag for me because precisely in 1941, is when Germans would have been looking at all the manpower they could muster given that in december 1941, Operation Barberrossa, turned into a failure and a protracted war was set in motion -- one in which the German side was outmanned, outsourced, and outgunned.

Although I am quite sympathetic towards the Third Reich and Germans in general, I do agree with your overall assessment of the situation. Soon after the failure of "Operation Barbarossa" in late summer of 1941, Germans were essentially hard pressed for manpower and war materials. I could see them making an alliance with Turks to overcome their strategic weaknesses. A million Armenians in a tiny rocky landlocked nation would not stand a chance in hell had Turks promised Hitler unconditional support. But then again, who knows...

[skhara]

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I think that our "nazis" don't have a very objective approach to real-world geo-politics. Germans have been friendly towards turks for their own interests and for their influence and access to the Middle East.

Otto von Bismark's Germany propped up turks.
Also, I'm sure that had the Soviet Army collapsed, and the allies position could be made unfavourable with the entry of turkey, they would have offered all the support to the axis in exchange for invasion of the Caucasus. Control of the caucasus has been their long-term geostrategic ambition.

Also, the Soviet Union was not the worst thing for Armenia. Did some negative cultures and mentalities creep in? YES. But it also allowed Armenians flush down the toilet some of the worst of those influences -- turkic/oriental ones. Having some russified influence is much better than alien, oriental, "middle eastern", "asian", mentalities, cultures, and behaviors.

The Soviet Union fell to suddenly and to quickly creating too stressful of situations -- thanks to masonic juden like Gorby and his wife.