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  • #51
    Re: Hitler's plan to invade tURKEY...

    Originally posted by Gazan
    Let's get things straight.

    I have a deep respect for those Armenians (who happened to be communists since that was the only way to get anywhere) under whos leadership the Armenia we all know was created.

    I have always called for the destruction of turkey and murder of turks. And I will always continue to do so and most importantly I will work towards achieving these goals.

    I don't hate neo-nazis because they are an absolute useless movement which does not hold and never will hold any power anywhere in the world. The real nazis of the third reich had a chance but they stuffed it up big time and are gone forever into the anals of history. Right now any Armenian talking to them is wasting his time and should ditch them. As for those Armenians who consider themselfs neo-nazis then they are simply idiots, who better wake-up to themselfs.

    I'm an Armenian Nationalist.
    I'm impressed, Gazan jan.
    Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

    Նժդեհ


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    • #52
      Re: Hitler's plan to invade tURKEY...

      Originally posted by Gazan
      I have always called for the destruction of turkey and murder of turks. And I will always continue to do so and most importantly I will work towards achieving these goals.
      .
      What kind of things will you do to achieve your goals?I mean;what do you suggest doing for utter destruction of Turks,sub-humans

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      • #53
        Re: Hitler's plan to invade tURKEY...

        hitler never thought of such thing
        but in world war one kaisers germany did help plan the genocide
        its a historical fact
        go to genocideevents.com and click "germany and the secret genocide'
        in the pop up video

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        • #54
          Re: Hitler's plan to invade tURKEY...

          neo nazis are needed when the country's national identity is suffering
          because of vast immigration
          we dont have that problem
          armenia is 95% armenian
          neo nazism in armenia serves no purpose
          on the other hand nationalizm does we need that

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          • #55
            Plan GERTRUD

            Plan GERTRUD

            German plan invading Turks in 1943 called " GERTRUD "

            Members of Armenian-German Union and Georgian-German union met Alfred Rosenberg in 1941, and he had promised them "when Armenia and Georgia are free from bolshevik rule, with German support Armenian and Georgian Armies will start a Holy war against Turkey, from Europe Wehrmacht, SS, Bulgarian, and Greek divisions will attack Turkey too". And I really believe this, because during WWII Reich wasn't ally of Turkey, and there is the name of operation which can be checked.

            Immediately after liberation, Armenia would become ally of Germany. This agreement was approved personally by Adolf Hitler. In 1942, the Führer signed the order about the creation of four Caucasian legions. Adolf Hitler declared that these legions were to be the nucleus of the military forces of the future independent Caucasian nations.

            Hitler had a racially bigoted outlook about the employment of Slavic peoples fighting alongside Germany, but he didn't object to suggestions by members of Wehrmacht and the Ministry for Occupied Eastern Territories to the creation of combat units made up of Caucasian volunteers. Alfred Rosenberg, the Minister for the Occupied Eastern Territories, approved and warmly received the news of Hitler's decision regarding the Caucasian peoples.

            The long yearning of the Armenian people for independence was addressed by the establishment of the Free Caucasus Movement, which had been personally suggested and approved by Adolf Hitler.

            According to Russian archives and reports from investigating commissions, the various members from the National Governments from Armenia and Georgia had declared that after the proclamation of the creation of these free republics, the Armenians and Georgians had to be 'prepared for victory and a holy war against further oppressors from Turkey.'

            Troops from Europe, which were supposed to included Greek, Wehrmacht and Waffen SS troops, were earmarked to help Armenian and Georgian units to invade Turkey. At the appropriate time, Armenia and Georgia were required to provide the German military command with about 100,000 soldiers with which to invade Turkey. A plan had been discussed for the occupation of Turkey where that country was supposed to be divided into Armenian (our historical lands,maybe even more),Greek,and thenGeorgian. Bulgarian, Italian and special Greek forces were to occupy Izmir and its suburbs. The occupation plan for Turkey, began forming in the beginning of the summer of 1942 under the secret code-name Gertrud.

            According to the documents found in the Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories, Nazi leaders knew very well that sooner or later Pan-Turkism would be a danger to Germany if they allowed Turkey and Azerbaijan to join together.



            This danger of Turkic and Azerbaijani collaboration under a 'Great Turan' in Ankara was actually a perceived threat among Nazi leaders in 1942 and 1943. The idea of Greater Armenia and its realization was a counter-balance to Turkish desires in the Caucasus.

            A map, indicating the planned Reich Kommissariat Armenien developed by Alfred Rosenberg, was discovered among the many top-secret documents found by SMERSH at the end of the war.

            Forgotten Legion: Sonderverbände Bergmann in World War II, 1941-1945. Eduard Abramian (ed. Antonio J. Munoz), Europa Books, 2007, pp. 9 -13.

            The Turkish government of that time took an opportunity to launch a major propaganda campaign against the Armenians living in Germany and the rest of Europe, where they claimed that Armenians were Semite and no different from gypsies. They encouraged the persecution of Armenians by planting falsified information on Armenian history, culture and its origins.

            To counter the anti-Armenian propaganda in Germany, the Armenian community in Potsdam,Germany published an academic book on Armenian studies called Armeniertum-Arivertum,meaning Armenism-Aryanism. Three thousand copies were printed under the leadership of Artashes Abeghyan in cooperation with German Armenologists Yohannes Lepsus and Paul Rohrbakh.
            Last edited by Dyutazn; 09-30-2008, 10:40 PM.

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            • #56
              Re: Hitler's plan to invade tURKEY...

              he only had plans to invade Turkey but he never did when he had the chance. Instead he invaded the SU, and that was his biggest mistake.

              Before he had invaded the SU, his generals were trying to convince him to attack turkey and move towards the Suez canal. And control of the ME would be his and he could than attack SU from two fronts. That was the only way he could have helped Armenia.

              And he also made plans with Turkey so they could invade the Caucasus. And he would need a second front for the Soviets in the Caucasus if he wanted to win the war.

              And it doesn't matter what his plans were, he lost the war. None of his plans matter because he is the loser in all of this. He made Germany great but destroyed it with his stupidity.

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              • #57
                Battalion “Zeytun” of the German Army

                Battalion “Zeytun” of the German Army
                Battalion “Zaytun” of the German Army
                http://www.armenian-history.com/Nyuter/HISTORY/ARMENIA20/Battalion_Zaytun_of_the_German_Army.htm
                Battalion Zaytun of the German Army - Armenians in World war II, Armenian forces in German Army. By Eduard Abramian
                Last edited by Dyutazn; 09-30-2008, 10:36 PM.

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                • #58
                  Re: Hitler's plan to invade tURKEY...

                  Here are below three articles in russian now in ADIC Web Site. Even if they are not in english, we can notice they have references on soviet administrative archives.

                  These three articles were published in two historiographical reviews of Armenia : Լրաբեր Հասարակական Գիտությունների & Բանբեր Երեվանի Համալսարանի
                  ADIC - II - Publications arménologiques en arménien
                  http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr/2armenologie/bibliographie.htm


                  These three articles are unfortunately not (yet) numerized on the web. Their pages are only scanned. But their titles are numerized and we shall find them with Google. They are about Turkey and nazi Germany :

                  - ТУРЕЦКО-ГЕРМАНСКИЕ ТОРГОВЫЕ СВЯЗИ В ГОДЫ ВТОРОЙ МИРОВОЙ ВОЙНЫ (1970) [pp.34-39]
                  ADIC - VI - ТУРЕЦКО-ГЕРМАНСКИЕ ТОРГОВЫЕ СВЯЗИ В ГОДЫ ВТОРОЙ МИРОВОЙ ВОЙНЫ - Р.П.КОНДАКЧЯН - Commercial Relations Between Turkey And Germany During The Years Of The Second World War
                  http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/0ru/6hist_nazigermany/LHG1970vi.htm
                  The Five Meliks of Karabagh by Raff, i(published in Armenian in Vienna, 1906 translated into English by Amy Apcar- Calcutta, 1918,


                  - ПРОПАГАНДА ПАНТЮРКИЗМА В ТУРЦИИ В ГОДЫ ВТОРОЙ МИРОВОЙ ВЙЫ (1974) [pp.198-205]
                  ADIC - VI - ПРОПАГАНДА ПАНТЮРКИЗМА В ТУРЦИИ В ГОДЫ ВТОРОЙ МИРОВОЙ ВОЙНЫ - Р.П.КОНДАКЧЯН - Panturkish propaganda in Turkey during the Second World War - R. P. Kondaktchian -
                  http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/0ru/6hist_nazigermany/BEH1974i.htm
                  The Five Meliks of Karabagh by Raff, i(published in Armenian in Vienna, 1906 translated into English by Amy Apcar- Calcutta, 1918,


                  - ИЗ ИСТОРИИ ИДЕОЛОГИЧЕСКОГО ПРОНИКНОВЕНИЯ ГЕРМАНСКГО ФАШИЗМА В ТУРЦИИ НАКОНУНЕ И В ПЕРИОД ВТРЙ МИРОВОЙ ВОЙНЫ. (1976) [pp.235-240]
                  ADIC - VI - ИЗ ИСТОРИИ ИДЕОЛОГИЧЕСКОГО ПРОНИКНОВЕНИЯ ГЕРМАНСКГО ФАШИЗМА В ТУРЦИИ НАКОНУНЕ И В ПЕРИОД ВТРЙ МИРОВОЙ ВОЙНЫ - Р.П.КОНДАКЧЯН - Yerevan 1976 - Penetration of Nazi-German ideas in Turkey before and during the Second World War
                  http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/0ru/6hist_nazigermany/BEH1976i.htm
                  The Five Meliks of Karabagh by Raff, i(published in Armenian in Vienna, 1906 translated into English by Amy Apcar- Calcutta, 1918,


                  If their pages were numerized, we could have used the language tools page from russian to other languages :
                  Google Translate
                  http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en
                  Google's service, offered free of charge, instantly translates words, phrases, and web pages between English and over 100 other languages.


                  We have other articles in russian to be numerized : http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/0ru/home.htm

                  Nil (ADIC-Paris)
                  ADIC - VI - La Turquie et l'Allemagne nazie
                  http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr/6histoire/a_d/20_turquie_nazis.htm

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                  Last edited by CRDA-France; 01-29-2009, 11:53 PM.

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                  • #59
                    Re: Hitler's plan to invade tURKEY...

                    hitler loves ataturk the each one dictator !

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                    • #60
                      Re: Hitler's plan to invade tURKEY...

                      Originally posted by psikokemal View Post
                      hitler loves ataturk the each one dictator !
                      How do you know that? What evidence exists (beyond the praise-filled diplomatic statements that all politicians make to leaders of other countries)?

                      I think you are probably giving too much international importance to Ataturk, outside Turkey he was seen as just one of the many strongmen/dictators of the 1930s.

                      Dictators of Today - 1933 magazine:
                      Attached Files
                      Plenipotentiary meow!

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