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  • Re: Armenia and the information war

    Originally posted by ashot24 View Post
    Excluding Azerbaijan Can't Bring Stability To The South Caucasus

    April 21, 2010
    By Novruz Mammadov

    The United States has recently stepped up
    [...]
    Radio Liberty
    Nothing new in this but the typical Azeri propaganda and the over-exaggeratingly ridiculous sense of importance Azeries have.

    However, I invite you to read the comments down below the article. They are very interesting.

    http://www.rferl.org/content/Excludi...dInfoContainer
    I especially love this comment:

    by: Kevin from: Seattle WA
    April 22, 2010 01:37
    Perhaps as an outsider some things are easier to observe. It is abundantly clear that the root of all of these problems lies with Turkey and with how it comes to terms with its bloody past. An unrepentant Turkey represents an existential threat to Armenians in that part of the world; and how could it be otherwise? The Armenians in that part of the world are either survivors of, or decendents of survivors, of what was arguably among the most successful genocides in history. Without an accounting of this past, they will always perceive the threat of physical extinction on their doorstep. And as such, it is difficult to see how Armenians-- or anyone else in their position-- would reasonably ever be expected to had over adminstration of Karabakh and the physical security of its people to anyone, let alone a bellicose Turkic Azerbaijan.

    As such, if Azerbaijan were really to want to recover Karabakh, it would be championing reconciliation between Turkey and Armenia, not the other way around, for this is the root of the issue. Ironically, but not surprisingly, Azerbaijan appears every bit the tired, prototypical despotic Central Asian caricature that this RFE opinion piece reveals. Much more skill, thought, and farsightedness are needed. None here though.
    Except the part where he sees a chance that Karabakh might return to Azerbaijan.
    Last edited by SevSpitak; 04-22-2010, 08:20 PM.

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      I like this one too:

      by: Asim from: London
      April 22, 2010 08:45
      This is a disappointing article. I don’t understand the point of publishing this type of propaganda. Azerbaijan lost Nagorno Karabakh years ago due to their intransigence. Their negotiating position has moved from total annihilation of the Armenian population to the “highest level of autonomy” which no one in the world believes—and definitely not the Armenians. No one is that naive. My grandparent’s generation used to live with Armenians as their neighbors before the collapse of the Ottoman Empire with that “highest level of autonomy.” It did not stop the Armenian Genocide.

      Azerbaijan suffers from low moral after losing the war with Armenia. They are not motivated to start a new war that they know they will surely loose. But their propaganda is so over the top that there news feeds are only betraying a deep psychosis. Their media like their government is a joke. I believe that they are more vocal in denying the Armenian Genocide then my own Turkish government. They have a deep inferiority complex not only to the Armenians but to us Turks. It only seems to get worse as they realize the inevitability of the Turks and Armenians coming to terms with the Armenian Genocide and settling their differences. Azerbaijan has had years to make peace with the Armenians of Nagorno Karabakh but have only threatened revenge upon them.

      A lasting peace will not be reached between Armenia and Azerbaijan any time soon. The Armenian’s will not give away what they won in war to Azerbaijan in peace. When Azerbaijan’s oil and gas is depleted and the world’s government do not have to pay lip service to Azerbaijan anymore, Nagorno Karabakh’s independence will be acknowledged by the entire world. Until then they will continue to support Nagorno Karabakh and make sure a new war does not break out. Azerbaijan’s threats to Turkey and the West are meaningless. They can’t turn to Russia or Iran as they are already Armenia’s allies nor can they decide not to sell their oil and gas to Turkey and the West. Azerbaijan is just not as important a country as they think they are.

      Earlier commentators have stated that these countries are not European. I might understand why Azerbaijan just as Turkey is often thought of as non European, as racism is common, but why Armenia-and ancient Christian and European people. But I agree with the analogy of Azerbaijan and Armenia behaving childishly—for Azerbaijan it’s a matter of pride but for Armenia it’s a matter of fear and survival. Both the governments of Azerbaijan and Armenia got their as a result of the Nagorno Karabakh war.
      Last edited by SevSpitak; 04-22-2010, 08:20 PM.

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        Originally posted by Federate View Post
        Can anyone guess what is the most anti-Armenian country in the world besides our Turkic neighbours? A big F U to Pakistan, who has not even recognized Armenia as a country (both our Turkic neighbours have). Time for Armenia to declare Kashmir as occupied Indian territory.
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        Azerbaijani President thanks Pakistan’s leadership for not recognizing Armenia
        [ 22 Apr 2010 18:05 ]
        Baku – APA. Azerbaijan’s President Ilham Aliyev received the delegation led by Pakistan’s Defense Secretary Syed Athar Ali, APA reports.

        Noting that the bilateral relations were developing, President Ilham Aliyev said the level of cooperation and partnership was satisfactory. The head of state noted that Azerbaijan intended to extend the spheres of joint activities with Pakistan and said there were good opportunities to strengthen cooperation in the military sphere and defense industry.

        President expressed his gratitude to the leadership of the friendly country for supporting Azerbaijan’s right position in the Organization of Islamic Conference and during the UN General Assembly voting on the resolution on the situation in the occupied Azerbaijani territories and for not recognizing Armenia in connection with the aggression against Azerbaijan.

        President Ilham Aliyev underlined once more that Azerbaijan supported Pakistan’s position concerning Kashmir issue.

        Defense Secretary Syed Athar Ali said Pakistan’s relations with Azerbaijan were developing successfully and our countries always supported each other’s positions in the international forums. Syed Athar Ali said Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict over Nagorno Karabakh was the most important issue for Azerbaijan and Pakistan did not recognize Armenia because of that.

        http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=120636
        Well, Iran and Russia are out of the picture, USA and most of Europe supports Armenia, Turkey is in a tight spot: they know it's better for itself and the world for it to normalize relations with Armenia, yet it doesn't want to abandon their fraudulent brother, so Azerbaijan has no choice. Pakistan is the way to go!

        "Aliyev thanks Pakistan for not recognizing Armenia."
        So much for, "We're being constructive! We don't want to be enemies of Armenia, we want PEACE! We even want to give Nagorno-Karabakh the highest level of autonomy!!" If you thank a country for not recognizing ARMENIA['s autonomy], then what do you mean by autonomy when you refer to Nagorno-Karabakh? Seems to me like the classic, "Armenians live peacefully in Azerbaijan," while below the creamy topping, Azerbaijanis get called in for questioning for voting for Armenia in Eurovision. I wonder how free Armenians in Azerbaijan are if Azerbaijanis themselves don't have the freedom to choose who they're going to text to vote in Eurovision.
        Last edited by SevSpitak; 04-22-2010, 08:26 PM.

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          Originally posted by SevSpitak View Post
          Well, Iran and Russia are out of the picture, USA and most of Europe supports Armenia, Turkey is in a tight spot: they know it's better for itself and the world for it to normalize relations with Armenia, yet it doesn't want to abandon their fraudulent brother, so Azerbaijan has no choice. Pakistan is the way to go!

          "Aliyev thanks Pakistan for not recognizing Armenia."
          So much for, "We're being constructive! We don't want to be enemies of Armenia, we want PEACE! We even want to give Nagorno-Karabakh the highest level of autonomy!!" If you thank a country for not recognizing ARMENIA['s autonomy], then what do you mean by autonomy when you refer to Nagorno-Karabakh? Seems to me like the classic, "Armenians live peacefully in Azerbaijan," while below the creamy topping, Azerbaijanis get called in for questioning for voting for Armenia in Eurovision. I wonder how free Armenians in Azerbaijan are if Azerbaijanis themselves don't have the freedom to choose who they're going to text to vote in Eurovision.
          Couldn't agree more. I also agree with Fed, it's high time for Armenia to declare Kashmir as Indian occupied territory. A curious fact: Turkey is a country which supports Azerbaijan, but they recognize Armenia as an independent country, even Azerbaijan does...but not Pakistan? They don't even have to do anything with the conflict. The reality of the issue here, is that basically Pakistan is angered because Armenia considers Kashmir as Indian territory (whole Pakistan and Bangladesh is Indian territory)...I think that plays a bigger role in this confrontation rather than the "friendly relations with Azerbaijan"...don't you think so?

          Also, Sev I told you those comments were epic! The majority of the people couldn't care less about Azerbaijan and they have the clear picture of the conflict and what Azerbaijan really is, the reality is only Turkey (and occupied Indian territory Kashmir, and so-called Pakistan) supports Azerbaijan, apart from them, everybody gives a damn or know the truth about that genocidal country.

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            Do not forget that the alleged non-recognition of Armenia by Pakistan could be one of the many lies Azerbaijani media loves to make just to defame Armenia.

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              Originally posted by Davo88 View Post
              Do not forget that the alleged non-recognition of Armenia by Pakistan could be one of the many lies Azerbaijani media loves to make just to defame Armenia.
              Nah, it is pretty official.

              "Senator Mushahid Hussain stated that Pakistan does not recognize Armenia because it was an aggressor and Pakistan supports Azerbaijan on the Nagorno-Karabakh issue. He stated that defence cooperation between Pakistan and Azerbaijan would be reinforced since a fulltime Defence Attache had been posted in the 11 Visit to Azerbaijan Pakistan Embassy in Azerbaijan."

              from http://www.foreignaffairscommittee.o...Azerbaijan.pdf
              Azerbaboon: 9.000 Google hits and counting!

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                Armenia + India vs Azerbeidzjan + Pakistan, I think we are on the right side

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                  The 95th anniversary commemoration of the Armenian Genocide has started
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                  Rally and torchlight procession started in Yerevan
                  20:14 / 04/23/2010

                  A moment ago, at 8:00 p.m., a meeting devoted to the 95th commemoration of the Armenian Genocide initiated by ARF Dashnaktsutyun started. Despite the bad weather thousands with banners and Armenian flags gathered near Mesrop Mashtots Institute of Ancient Manuscripts (Matenadaran) to protest against Turkish policy of Genocide negation.

                  Thereafter, and traditional torchlight procession to Armenian Genocide Memorial (Tsitsernakaberd) will be held.

                  On April 23, Armenian students gathered at Grigor Lusavorich (Gregory the Illuminator) Church and offered a prayer in memory of the Armenian Genocide victims.

                  One of the greatest tragedies in the human history occurred in Ottoman Turkey during World War 1. The Establishment of Ottoman Turkey organized the annihilation of about 1.5 million Armenians. On the night of April 24, 1915, all Armenian intellectual were arrested in Constantinople. April 24 is Day in commemoration of the Armenian Genocide victims.

                  The Armenian massacre in Western Armenia and other parts of Ottoman Empire is the first genocide of the 20th century.

                  The Armenian Genocide has been recognized and denounced by many states and influential international agencies. In France, Belgium and Switzerland the law provides for criminal responsibility for denying the Armenian Genocide.

                  Russia adopted two resolutions denouncing the Armenian Genocide, on April 14, 1995, and on April 22, 2005.

                  Forty-two of the 50 U.S. states officially recognized and denounced the Armenian Genocide.

                  S.T.



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                  Torchlight procession held in Stepanakert
                  19:37 / 04/23/2010


                  Traditional torchlight procession of youth for commemoration of Armenian Genocide victims initiated by ARF Dashnaktsutyun started in Nagorno-Karabakh capital, Stepanakert.

                  Over 3.500 people will move to Stepanakert St. Hakob church to attend a service carrying torches, banners, candles, flags of Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia as well as of states that recognized Genocide.



                  I have some photos from Stepanakert from a friend of the Genocide commemoration one week ago



                  Love this shirt


                  Burning part reads RECOGNITION


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                    The torch-light procession in Yerevan

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                      Guys check this out:

                      I found this on the official website of the Ministry of Communication and Information Technologies of the Republic of Azerbaijan (translated from Russian)

                      23.04.2010 During an interview in Ganja, president Ilham Aliyev recognized the Armenian Genocide

                      Today during an interview in Ganja, President Ilham Aliyev recognized the Armenian Genocide organized and carried out in 1915 in the territory, with the use of physical extermination and deportation, including the displacement of the population in conditions leading to imminent death. Aliyev said: "Along with the Holocaust, the Armenian Genocide is one of the two most studied genocide in history."



                      What the f*k?

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