Armenia and the information war

[Tigranakert]

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Would that be before or after the trial?
Or would it matter, given the trial would be undertaken by a notoriously corrupt judicial system where verdicts are decided on before trials start. So I guess it comes down on whether you believe hanging people in public squares is a good thing or not.

We should learn from the West and other European countries. If somebody is working against the interest of our state we should:

1) Kill them and let the police, before even an investigation has started, say it was a normal death.
2) Execute them, using the electric chair.
3) Make them dissapear, nothing to be heard of them again.

These practices are a common thing among Western countries.

[bell-the-cat]

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Hang them in Republic Square.

Would that be before or after the trial?
Or would it matter, given the trial would be undertaken by a notoriously corrupt judicial system where verdicts are decided on before trials start. So I guess it comes down on whether you believe hanging people in public squares is a good thing or not.

[Mos]

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Hang them in Republic Square.

[ninetoyadome]

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Death penalty for treason and collusion with enemies bent on our destruction... reinstate or not? Hmmm.

I say reinstate. For going against your country at a time like this, no matter what is offered to you. I dont understand how you would do this.

Also do you guys know how when talking to a Turk or azeri about the Armenian Genocide they always say the same thing: "When Erdogan asked Kocharyan to form a joint committee to discuss the events Kocharyan declined"? Well apparently Kocharyan didnt decline the offer, he replied in a letter to Erdogan a few days letter, wikileaks published the

YEREVAN, August 25 — WikiLeaks published a cable of the U.S. Embassy in Yerevan, in which it touches upon the letter of the then Armenian President Robert Kocharyan addressed to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan from April 25, 2005 and the comments of the Ministry of foreign Affairs of the Republic of Armenia.

The letter reads:

“Dear Mr. Prime Minister,

I received your letter. As two neighboring countries we should actually try to find ways to live together in harmony. That is the basic reason why from the very first day we gave you a hand to establish relations, open the borders and to establish a dialog between two countries and nations.

There are neighboring countries, especially on the continent of Europe, that had a hard past on which they have different views. Nevertheless, it didn’t prevent them from having open borders, normal and diplomatic relations, representatives in the capitals, even if they still keep on discussing their disputable issues.

Your proposal to address the past can’t be effective if it does not refer to the present and the future. To start an effective dialog, we should create a favorable political environment. The governments are responsible for the development of bilateral relations, and we have no right to delegate that responsibility to the historians. Thus, we have proposed and we again propose to establish normal relations between our countries without preconditions.

In this regard, an inter-governmental commission can be formed to discuss the outstanding issues to resolve them and mainatain mutual understanding.

Regards,
Robert Kocharyan.”

The non-official explanatory document that went with the diplomatic note reads:

“The content of the letter President Kocharyan received from Prime Minister Erdogan is not a new thing. The call upon the historians to discuss the events of 1915 is just another call Turkish administration makes each time they feel strong international interest and attention towards both Armenian Genocide and Genocide recognition.

It’s the first time such a written proposal was made at the highest level. That is why President Kocharyan responded to Prime Minister’s letter, despite the fact we are seriously concerned about its sincerity.

Several factors cause our concerns:

First, the letter appeared in Turkish media earlier than in Yerevan.

Second, it was immediately distributed in the U.S. Congress with the clear implication that the process of “rapprochement” and “reconciliation” is underway and that no U.S. action (for example, Congressional resolution) is needed.

Third, Turkish criminal code still provides for the punishment of any citizen who uses the term “genocide” in the Armenian context. And the proceedings against writer Orhan Pamuk and publisher Ragip Zaraoklu are still pending.

Fourth, in the middle of April the Turkish Parliament held hearings on the Armenian issue and issued a statement not only confirming their revisionist efforts but also openly calling upon third countries (for example, United Kingdom) to reprocess, review and revise their archives.

Nonetheless, President Kocharyan’s letter confirmed Armenia’s position — Armenia’s ready to discuss any issue at the intergovernmental level. The best way to do it is to establish diplomatic relations. Even if this goal is difficult to achieve, we can at least establish normal relations with open borders, free communication and travel between our countries and representatives.

Armenia has no preconditions for the establishment of relations and the opening of the borders. All the bilateral issues including Armenian Genocide can be discussed as soon as the relations are established.

Turkey uses three different excuses to explain why it keeps the borders closed. One of them is the fact Armenia insists on the recognition of Armenian Genocide. (The response of the Republic of Armenia is the following — Armenian Genocide recognition and remembrance is a moral issue, which cannot be dropped, however, the Republic of Armenia doesn’t make it a precondition for the establishment of relations.)

The second one refers to the fact that the Republic of Armenia did not confirm Turkey’s territorial integrity. (The response of the Republic of Armenia is the following — Kars treaty, which defines the current borders between Armenia and Turkey has neither been revoked, nor renounced. Other than that, no Armenian official has made territorial claims against Turkey.)

And the third one is the still unresolved Nagorno Karabakh conflict. (The response of the Republic of Armenia is the following — it’s a conflict with a third country, which has no relation with the establishment of our bilateral relations.)

We sincerely hope Prime Minister Erdogan will positively respond to Armenian President’s proposal to improve the relations, so that we manage to resolve the most complicated issues.”

http://www.yerevanreport.com/83181/wikileaks-publishes-robert-kocharyans-letter-prime-minister-erdogan/

[Federate]

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This shows the azeris are desperate and afraid of the Armenia.

Death penalty for treason and collusion with enemies bent on our destruction... reinstate or not? Hmmm.

[Mos]

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[ninetoyadome]

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3 Armenians accused of collaborating with Azerbaijani intelligence
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TertAm -- Three Armenian citizens have been charged with high treason and three others accused of failing to report to law-enforcers that they knew that they collaborated with Azerbaijani intelligence service.
According to the website of the Office of General Prosecutor, the prosecutor overseeing that investigation has confirmed the indictment.

The investigation revealed that K. Mehrabyan, R. Matevosyan and A. Chtrkyan were recruited by officers of Azerbaijan’s intelligence service during a visit to Turkey.

The three were offered to collaborate with them in exchange for money. They received tasks to find and provide the Azerbaijani intelligence service information about armed forces in Armenia and Nagorno Karabakh.

The investigation also found out that Armenian citizens K. Petrosyan, A. Avetikyan, and D. Avetikyan were aware that K. Mehrabyan had agreed to find the required information and transfer it to Azerbaijani officers in exchange of payment but failed to inform Armenian law-enforcers.

The case was sent to the Court of First Instance of Yerevan’s Nork-Marash administrative district on November 15 for examination.

Original Link: http://tert.am/en/news/2011/11/21/case/

This shows the azeris are desperate and afraid of the Armenia.

[bell-the-cat]

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I plan to personally desecrate this "masterpiece of modern art."

Sculptural portrait of Azerbaijan`s first lady – “Divine Muse, protectress of Azerbaijani Mugam” presented in Canada

Or it could be recycled as a symbol for the local red-light district, given the "lady's" reputation.

[ninetoyadome]

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Azerbaijani propaganda invents new national hero – Ilham of Macedon

Vesti.az, which is known for its unskillful falsifications, reported that allegedly in the program “President” on German TV channel ProSieben, presenter Thomas Nitscher declared that in 2012 Azerbaijan will already launch active military operations against Armenia.

Moreover, French President Nicolas Sarkozy allegedly said to U.S. President Barack Obama during the G20 Cannes Summit: “It is difficult to oppose Aliyev, he is like the Macedonian,” the Azerbaijani new agency wrote on behalf of the presenter, noting that Aliyev somehow reminds of the Grand Master who establishes control over the whole region.

Certainly the Azerbaijani news agency gave no link or video of the report. Moreover, it became known that there is neither a program nor a presenter of that name in the mentioned TV company.

There is no doubt that chess player Ilham of Macedon will become the hero of many anecdotes, cartoons and satirical articles. The disservice of the Azerbaijani propaganda to their supreme commander-in-chief will turn out badly more than once. However, they hardly think about the absurdity of such kind of false reports.

Meanwhile, ARTE TV channel which cooperates with Belgium, Poland, and Austria, with 94 percent of TV viewers in France and 85 percent – in Germany, aired a program on November 14 on dictatorship and violation of freedom of expression in Azerbaijan. The report tells the story of Azerbaijani dissidents persecuted for criticism of the authorities, including bloggers Adnan Hajizade and Emin Milli, who have served their time in prison for a satirical video about Ilham Aliyev. The report also shows contrast between wealthy Baku and poverty-stricken regions of Azerbaijan. Watch the video here.

http://www.panorama.am/en/politics/2011/11/18/ilham-makedonski/

[londontsi]

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International community must act on Azerbaijan crackdown

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/international-community-must-act-azerbaijan-crackdown-2011-11-16

The international community must not turn a blind eye to human rights violations in Azerbaijan, Amnesty International said today in a new report cataloguing a clampdown on dissent since protests erupted in March.

The spring that never blossomed: Freedoms suppressed in Azerbaijan details a wave of intimidation and arrests around protests against corruption and the increasing suppression of independent media, non-governmental organizations (NGOs) and opposition parties.

Since then, youth activists and opposition figures have been jailed on arbitrary or trumped up charges while journalists and human rights defenders have been threatened and harassed.

Amnesty International considers 17 people convicted around the time of the protests to be prisoners of conscience and asks for their immediate release.

“The clampdown has sent out a clear and calculated message - that public expression of dissent will not be tolerated, and nor will any attempt to galvanize public opinion against the current regime,” said Natalia Nozadze, Amnesty International's Azerbaijan researcher.

"The European Union and other international partners of Azerbaijan must take every opportunity to press for the release of the prisoners of conscience and to put an end to the suppression of peaceful protest, critical opinion and political opposition.”

Hundreds of people gathered in the streets of the capital Baku in March and April this year demanding democratic reforms and greater respect for human rights. Inspired by mass protests in the Middle East and North Africa, opposition activists used social media to organize and disseminate information.

The Azerbaijani authorities responded by banning the protests and harassing and arresting bloggers and activists.

Following the protests 14 activists and members of opposition political parties were convicted of “organising and participating in public disorder” and sentenced to up to 3 years in prison. Amnesty International believes that there is no evidence that any of the imprisoned opposition supporters were engaged in anything more than the legitimate exercise of their right to freedom of expression and association in seeking to organise peaceful protests in central Baku.

The crackdown intensified the already heavy-handed approach of the authorities.

Criminal and civil defamation charges continue to be used to silence critical media, while foreign media outlets were banned from national airwaves in 2009.

Ganimat Zahid, the editor of pro-opposition newspaper Azadlig told Amnesty International: “The government is tightening the noose on any form of communication by restricting access to information, printing paper and distribution outlets for independent media thus leaving the public in informational black-out. Increasingly, we rely on social media to fill the vacuum for informed debate.”

The government is also currently considering laws that could potentially restrict web users’ access to information and criminalizing “misinformation”, further restricting online freedom of expression.

“The cumulative effect of these practices, together with the long-standing impunity of the authorities for such actions, has instilled a climate of fear and self-censorship in Azerbaijani society, which is stalling, indeed reversing, the country’s transition to a stable democracy,” said Natalia Nozadze.

“In oil-rich Azerbaijan, 20 years of independence, economic prosperity and relative stability have failed to translate into greater fundamental freedoms for its citizens while the consolidation of authoritarian rule over the last decade has been largely ignored by the outside world.”

“The Azerbaijan authorities must reverse this trend and their international partners must make it clear that they will not do deals with those who carry out human rights violations.”