Armenia and the information war

[arakeretzig]

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Armenia’s minister does not make toast to his country

http://news.am/eng/reviews/2716.html

December 01, 2011

YEREVAN. – Zhoghovurd daily ascertained from well-informed sources that something interesting transpired during the recent dinner banquet attended by observers from the European People’s Party and Armenian ruling coalition parties’ Government members, the daily writes.

“Armenia’s Finance Minister Vache Gabrielyan, who speaks English fluently, was designated the [banquet’s] toastmaster, and he made toasts to several European counties, one after the other. The attendees were holding their breath until our country’s [Armenia] turn would come, but the Minister did not note our country.

To the paper’s query as to why the Minister did not make a toast to Armenia, the Ministry’s Press Service responded: ‘Your information does not correspond to the reality.’ Our sources, however, continue to claim that the toastmaster did not make a toast to Armenia,” Zhoghovurd writes.

that's some fine journalism there. Maybe they should write about a tree falling next time....

[londontsi]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Armenia’s minister does not make toast to his country

http://news.am/eng/reviews/2716.html

December 01, 2011

YEREVAN. – Zhoghovurd daily ascertained from well-informed sources that something interesting transpired during the recent dinner banquet attended by observers from the European People’s Party and Armenian ruling coalition parties’ Government members, the daily writes.

“Armenia’s Finance Minister Vache Gabrielyan, who speaks English fluently, was designated the [banquet’s] toastmaster, and he made toasts to several European counties, one after the other. The attendees were holding their breath until our country’s [Armenia] turn would come, but the Minister did not note our country.

To the paper’s query as to why the Minister did not make a toast to Armenia, the Ministry’s Press Service responded: ‘Your information does not correspond to the reality.’ Our sources, however, continue to claim that the toastmaster did not make a toast to Armenia,” Zhoghovurd writes.

[ninetoyadome]

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Azeri man living in Armenia

[londontsi]

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It's funny how Armenians think it's easy to fight the oligarchs and the corruption.
Serge Sargysyan has been dismissing a lot of corrupt oligarchs and replacing them by technocrats, but it's not an easy job.

Cannot understand how an oligarch can be dismissed.
Care to explain, perhaps with examples (individuals).

The oligarchs could team up with other corrupt officials having influence in Armenia and oust Sargysyan out of office.

If there are laws in the country and the laws are applied, then corrupt official would fear the long arm of the law or take a chance and face the consequences.
Any country where the law cannot be applied is called a lawless country.

This is why there needs to be evolution, and such a difficult task can not be accomplished within a short-period of time. It's a difficult game of chess, slowly eliminating your opponents and thinking 10-steps ahead of them.

Application of the law is not evolutionary process. If the law exists then it should be applied.
A few successful cases in the courts is all that would take to change the tide.
Corruption by civil servants thrive because laws are not applied.

[Mos]

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So Ter-Petrossyan would be ready to cooperate and support Kocharyan? That's rather silly and absurd. I see Ter-Petrossyan becoming less important and Kocharyan becoming more prominent and eventually running against Sargsyan as Putin is coming back to power in Russia who is very close with Kocharyan.

[arakeretzig]

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Ter-Petrosyan denied the ANC had supported the PAP in the Ijevan race, as was alleged by some media. But he still refused to reprimand any of the ANC local chapter members who might have personally assisted the PAP campaign. He implied the struggle was against the regime and therefore was justifiable.

I can't understand why a traitor like Ter-Petrossyan is still allowed to breath in Armenia? Everytime i see his face, i'm disgusted.. he reminds me of that other douchebag saakhashvili

[Tigranakert]

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It's funny how Armenians think it's easy to fight the oligarchs and the corruption. Serge Sargysyan has been dismissing a lot of corrupt oligarchs and replacing them by technocrats, but it's not an easy job. The oligarchs could team up with other corrupt officials having influence in Armenia and oust Sargysyan out of office. This is why there needs to be evolution, and such a difficult task can not be accomplished within a short-period of time. It's a difficult game of chess, slowly eliminating your opponents and thinking 10-steps ahead of them.

If this is not enough to cope with, Sargysyan also needs to fight against anti-Armenian Armenians, and the self-destructive atmosphere which is prevailing in Armenia. And if this is not enough, he also has to deal with Azerbaijan and Turkey. And if this is not enough, the northern-neighbour is also anti-Armenian and the southern-neighbour is in big troubles. And if this is not enough, he also has to find a solution for the economy, but if this is not enough, the borders are landlocked, and if that is not enough, a lot of the economy is in control of a few oligarchs, and if that is not enough, a lot of oligarchs have a large influence, and if that is not enough, a lot of them are connected to one and another, and if that is not enough, he has to set them up against each other, and if that is not enough, he has to deal with American pressure, and if that is not enough... almost nobody supports him, as Armenians will never support any President, because are Armenians, and not Turks, and we all want to be our own President.

It's not an easy job.

Ter-Petrosyan woos PAP, warns it against forming election bloc with RPA

The leader of Armenia’s main opposition alliance has made overtures to a major pro-establishment party, implying that its current reported differences with the larger coalition partner meet his bloc’s interests.

Addressing supporters at a rally in Yerevan on Friday Armenian National Congress (ANC) leader Levon Ter-Petrosyan predicted more high-profile dismissals and resignations in the government, describing such developments as an indication of growing differences within the ruling coalition, in particular between the ruling Republican Party of Armenia (RPA) and its junior partner, Prosperous Armenia Party (PAP), led by tycoon Gagik Tsarukyan and believed to be ex-president Robert Kocharyan’s brainchild.

At the same time, Ter-Petrosyan urged the PAP to distinctly distance itself from the Kocharyan legacy, including the deadly suppression of the opposition’s street protests in 2008. He also warned the party against teaming up with the RPA at next year’s parliamentary elections, saying that in that case it will “lose its face completely”.

“Now it is difficult to predict how far the differences within the coalition will aggravate, but if it turns out that Prosperous Armenia genuinely intends to fight for free and fair elections, then in my opinion – I emphasize it that it is in my and not in the ANC’s opinion – the ANC should be ready to seriously consider the prospect and possibility of cooperating with it (PAP),” said Ter-Petrosyan.

The opposition leader’s remarks came against the backdrop of unconfirmed media reports about the PAP’s agreement to form a single bloc with the RPA to contest next year’s parliamentary elections.

In the past several months media have repeatedly speculated about growing differences between the two coalition partners as a possible indication of covert rivalry between incumbent president Sargsyan and his predecessor Kocharyan. The latest battleground for that perceived rivalry was the mayoral race earlier this month in the northern town of Ijevan where the PAP-backed candidate unseated the incumbent mayor who enjoyed the RPA’s support.

Some analysts described the PAP’s success in the small provincial town as an early indication of the party’s greater ambitions in the next parliamentary vote due in May.

Ter-Petrosyan denied the ANC had supported the PAP in the Ijevan race, as was alleged by some media. But he still refused to reprimand any of the ANC local chapter members who might have personally assisted the PAP campaign. He implied the struggle was against the regime and therefore was justifiable.

Meanwhile, the ANC presented what its coordinator Levon Zurabyan described as legal grounds for impeaching Sargsyan. The “Declaration” of legal reasons for Sargsyan’s resignation listed a dozen violations of the Constitution that the incumbent head of state had allegedly committed before and after assuming the presidential post.

Zurabyan said the ANC will pursue the case legally, with “mass protests” accompanying this legal battle. The oppositionist announced that one such street march will be staged on December 10, which is marked as International Human Rights Day.

[retro]

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Nevermind the trial. Most "Western countries" abandoned public executions because they discovered more effective (though not necessarily humane) approaches to punishment, rehabilitation, and intelligence gathering.

Armenian institutions are so retrograde they should just rename the country Erivan Khanate.

Although Armenia's delightful Muslim neighbours are intent upon exploiting Armenia's economic isolation and either overrunning or colonising Armenia. The Armenian states institutions are far from dysfunctional and Armenia's counterintelligence did well to unearth this Azeris operation.

Whilst naturally a great deal depends, on the level of threat to the state, that such people possess. It's perfectly acceptable to covertly extrajudicially kill traitors. However Armenia can make political capital out of this incident by putting these men on trial and clearly this is what they have elected to do.

I don't think that Armenia should not emulate the practises of repressive, less cultivated nations, by adopting more draconian laws. The problem with the death penalty is that it results in miscarriages of justice and in many nations it is widely subject to abuse.

Capital punishment in Armenia

The last execution in Armenia took place on the 30 August 1991; it was carried out by a single bullet. Death penalty remained a legal punishment for murder, treason, and serious crimes of a military nature, until its abolition in 2003.

In 2003 Armenia also ratified the Protocol No. 6 to the European Convention on Human Rights (the Protocol allows countries to retain death penalty for serious wartime crimes). Protocol No. 13 (concerning abolition of the death penalty under all circumstances) was signed in 2006; however, as of January 2008 Armenia has not ratified it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital...ent_in_Armenia

[TomServo]

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Nevermind the trial. Most "Western countries" abandoned public executions because they discovered more effective (though not necessarily humane) approaches to punishment, rehabilitation, and intelligence gathering.

Armenian institutions are so retrograde they should just rename the country Erivan Khanate.

[arakeretzig]

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To understand what these guys did, you need to understand the underlying psyche of human beings. It's not always black and white answer. People do things because they want something in return. Regardless of the economic hardship armenians live in, these guys could have had a hundred reasons to do this. There are such people in every country. what's the point in hanging them? If they didn't suceed in their mission now, there is a good chance they will do this again. since armenia has better things to spend its money on, these motherless xxxxs should be executed (if they were prepared to sell their methordland, you can sure as hell be sure they'd sell their mothers too for the right ammount of money).
Some people just don't deserve to live. period.