Armenia and the information war

[Tigranakert]

Re: Armenia and the information war

The only hypocrite/idiot I see is you, "Tigranakert".

The unlikely alternative (that you might not be a hypocrite/idiot) is much worse because it means that nobody should say or do anything for Armenians because they are an obnoxious, stupid, deceitful, selfish, self-centered, ungrateful people who whine endlessly on and on about being victims, always want more, and never give anything in return (not even a simple "thank you"). For now, I prefer the more likely alternative - that it is just Tigranakert and those like him who are obnoxious, stupid, deceitful, selfish, self-centered, ungrateful people who whine endlessly on and on.....

I see you have developed a "fetish" for me, old man.

But I would like to thank you (again) actually, concerning people saying and actually doing things for Armenians. The problem is, but probably you don't want to know as you don't give a xxxx about how things really are, is that people in the likes of Sarkozy and Obama say, even promise things to Armenians, just to do the contrary when the time comes. Actually, it is them who are deceitful, selfish and self-centered. I would honor and greatly respect a man who stands by his words, or at least, if claiming to support Armenians, is not actually supporting anti-Armenian policies. But hey, it's politics, we shouldn't be surprised or be emotional about it.

I want to point out to Armenians (of which you are not, but somehow want to teach us something, even though you are a failed Scott), that we shouldn't be emotional. I find it pretty disgraceful to our nation, that a man like Sarkozy thinks he can win votes, by playing on the emotions of genocide victims, promising all sorts of things when it's basically all a lie.

I want to point out to Armenians, that indeed, we have to develop excellent relations with European countries, Asian countries, African countries, but we should never think or get the illusion that Europe stands for "democracy", or "justice", or "human lives". Everything is based on self-interest. And it's the self-interest part, people have to understand and analyze.

And (unfortunately?), the interests of Europe do not coincide with that of the Republic of Armenia, not now, and most of the time, also not in our history. We have nothing to offer them, they do not need us, they need Turkey and Azerbaijan though. And maybe it will come to a shock for some people, but this means they don't give a **** about Armenian human lives. If it's up to them, Turkey would have conquered Armenia back in 1992 with Western made weapons.

Again, Armenians have to do everything to develop and improve our relations with the European union, but Armenians should never be in the illusion that we can replace Russia with Europe, as soon as we have done that, Armenia will be handed over to the Turks, as the French handed over Cilicia.


Nice video on "democracy" in the United States

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenia and the information war

I do not think Tigranakert is any of those things. To be honest i doubt if it was not for people like him pointing out the obvious we would not still have lots of brainwashed people eager to fall into the hands of the eurpoeans or the usa. Most of his posts demonstrate both love and concern for Hayastan and he has a progressive outlook which is refreshing in this forum. Bell on the other hand is a hypocrit-you know bell im still waiting for an answer on those monuments we were discussing like 2 years ago now but nothin... You criticise armenians for embracing their master (Russia) as if we have other better choices on the table but refuse to consider them and this is far from the truth because we have no good choices to consider to begin with. All this truely sound hypocritical coming from a scotsman of all things whose nation is enslaved to England. Sometimes bell says some interesting things but often its just hatred i hear. Armenia simply does not have the resources to compete with our hostile neigbhors in the information wars but a few of our words are worth many of theirsbecause their words are so out of touch with reality that even they know they are lying to themselves.

[UrMistake]

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bell generalization is not the way to go... using Tigranakert's comment to judge all of the armenians?

[UrMistake]

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i don't get it , why you are trolling Sarkozy ? also you are quoting turkish source !!

[bell-the-cat]

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Sarkozy drew a strong negative reaction from Turkey when he said last week on a short trip to Armenia that Turkey should recognize the 1915 incidents as genocide, threatening to pass a law in France that would make denying this a crime. “The Armenian genocide is a historical reality. Collective denial is even worse than individual denial,” Sarkozy told reporters.

It was funny to see the hypocrite/idiot Sarkozy misusing the political immature emotional Armenians.

The only hypocrite/idiot I see is you, "Tigranakert".

The unlikely alternative (that you might not be a hypocrite/idiot) is much worse because it means that nobody should say or do anything for Armenians because they are an obnoxious, stupid, deceitful, selfish, self-centered, ungrateful people who whine endlessly on and on about being victims, always want more, and never give anything in return (not even a simple "thank you"). For now, I prefer the more likely alternative - that it is just Tigranakert and those like him who are obnoxious, stupid, deceitful, selfish, self-centered, ungrateful people who whine endlessly on and on.....

[Tigranakert]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Europeans: Masters of Deception, Lords of Hypocrisy

Sarkozy in bid to make up for Armenia remarks through aide

TODAYSZAMAN.COM,

French President Nicholas Sarkozy during a visit to Armenia. (Photo: AP)
French President Nicholas Sarkozy, who drew sharp criticism from Turkey last week when he urged Turkey to recognize the 1915 massacre of Armenians by Ottoman Turks as genocide, has conveyed a message to Turkey through his aide, who said Sarkozy's remarks were misunderstood, the Anatolia news agency reported on Friday.

Sarkozy's aide, Jean David Levitte -- known as France's shadow foreign minister -- reportedly called Turkish Ambassador to Paris Tahsin Burcuoğlu and invited him to Elysee Palace. Citing diplomatic sources, Anatolia said during the meeting that Levitte told Burcuoğlu that Sarkozy's remarks were misunderstood in Turkey and that France does not want to face off with Turkey on this issue. Levitte stressed that France sees Turkey as a great country and that France attaches importance to Turkish-French friendship.

During the meeting, Burcuoğlu underscored Turkey's sensitivity on the issue of the World War I-era killings of Armenians and told Levitte that another bill proposing punishment for anyone who denies the “Armenian genocide” would seriously damage bilateral relations.

Sarkozy drew a strong negative reaction from Turkey when he said last week on a short trip to Armenia that Turkey should recognize the 1915 incidents as genocide, threatening to pass a law in France that would make denying this a crime. “The Armenian genocide is a historical reality. Collective denial is even worse than individual denial,” Sarkozy told reporters.

“Turkey, which is a great country, would honor itself to revisit its history like other great countries in the world have done,” the French president added. Turkey's response to the French president was harsh, with Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan saying the French leader should keep his advice to himself.

France has long been urging Turkey to acknowledge that the allegations of genocide are true. Turkey, in turn, has proposed that a committee of historians, not politicians, should decide what transpired in 1915. The French Parliament recognized the so-called “Armenian genocide” in 2001, which resulted in short-lived tension between France and Turkey. In 2006 the French National Assembly adopted a bill proposing punishment for anyone who denies the “Armenian genocide.” The bill was dropped this summer before coming to the Senate.

It was funny to see the hypocrite/idiot Sarkozy misusing the political immature emotional Armenians. I just can't understand, after centuries of being fooled and played around by the West, Armenians still have respect for these nations or have the illusion that European countries are "democracies", placing a high value for world "peace", human lives and "justice".

Looked liked the "Armenians for Obama" hype.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Not even LTP says that (anymore). Any Armenian who has some clue of Armenia's current situation knows that the Russian alliance is in the best of our interest, and that false promises from the West will only fullfill Turkish/Azeri aspirations to take out what's left of Armenia.

What people say changes all the time because words are cheap but the threat of collored revolutions is still real and possibly deadly for Armenia. Discontent people will be open to even the unthinkable at times.

[Mos]

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I am sure he is angered by some people who think that we should turn away from Russia and embrace the west. There are many who say things without thinking things through and i find them as annoying as he does.

Not even LTP says that (anymore). Any Armenian who has some clue of Armenia's current situation knows that the Russian alliance is in the best of our interest, and that false promises from the West will only fullfill Turkish/Azeri aspirations to take out what's left of Armenia.

[Haykakan]

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Bro Im with you but what are you so angry about? I can almost hear you yelling LOL

I am sure he is angered by some people who think that we should turn away from Russia and embrace the west. There are many who say things without thinking things through and i find them as annoying as he does.

[Serjik]

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Bro Im with you but what are you so angry about? I can almost hear you yelling LOL

For all the Russophobes, even the enemy admits that it fears Armenia just because of our relationship with Russia! Isn't it clear to anyone that Russia is suppling us with billions of worth of weapons for almost free-of-charge? Isn't it clear they are the ones who are keeping the Turks at bay for the past twenty years? Isn't it clear that the potential advantages of having good relations with the Russian Federation are IMMENSE? Especially if we unite and organize lobbying organizations as the Armenians are deeply penetrated in all atmospheres in the Russian Federation, be it economical, political, military, sports, and media?

No, the only thing Russophobes can say is that it's a disgrace Armenia doesn't get +- twenty million dollars of rent for the Russian military base. You stupid *#** idiot morons, why don't you mention that we get more than that, the base is a de-facto military transfer base, as we get BILLIONS worth of weapons through the Russian base in Armenia, isn't that clear? Isn't it clear that it's not a base which only serves Russia's interests (as American bases serve only theirs), but it serves Armenia's interests aswell, as it is a shared base whose major goal it to protect the border from the Turks.

Anyways, to keep the story short. Long live the Russian Federation and the Armenian-Russian alliance. Long live our Republic!