Armenia and the information war

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenia and the information war

I appreciate what you are trying to do Tigranakert. Most diasporan armenians indeed are brainwashed because they have been told all their lives that democracy is some kind of miracle drug that will solve all your problems regardless of what the problems are. Iondontsi is a perfect example of just this. To combat the western brainwashing which includes a heavty dose dashnak hairy chest pounding it is important that armenians are made aware of the facts on the ground regarding Armenia. I think pointing out the facts is very important in a time where many armenians seem to either lose track of them or are distracted by false opinions and hopes. I do not blame people for being misguided because there are plenty of forces conspiring to misguide armenians but i do blame many for being stubbornly closed minded and refusing to see the world the way it really is especially when people like me and tigranakert are trying so hard to point out simply what should be obvious to all armenians.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Armenia and the information war

it all boils down to, do you want to be America's biatch, or Russia's biatch? You're going to be fscked in the ass anyway, might as well enjoy it while being fscked. Armenia has made its choice.

Yes, we are indeed getting very xxxxed. Our borders being protected against Turkey, independent Armenia still continuing to exist, receiving billions of dollars of weapons for free, receiving billions of dollars of investment as nobody else would invest, being able to obtain top jobs in the military and political life of the aforementioned country. I can't believe what a bad deal we have! It is the United States of America who would really xxxx Armenia, not the Russian Federation. Comparing both is just impossible.

It's like saying Israel has to choose between being xxxxed by America, or by Iran. No, it's the Israelis who are doing the xxxxing, as they understand that expanding the strategic relationship, profiting from it, and exploiting it is more beneficial for them, instead of "not being too dependent on America" and severing ties and actually not being dependent on anyone and not receiving substantial aid of anyone and then being wiped out of the mapped because some people wanted to be "independent in theory".

Even though my point is very easy, it is, unfortunately, almost impossible to understand for most of the people.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Armenia and the information war

I think you have a sick man’s mentality (politically).
You do not understand that Armenian people and Armenian state have to have the same course.
That is called democracy.

I doubt you understand or believe in democracy.
Your idiotic statements have the aim of discrediting Armenian-Russian strategic partnership.

Probably you are CIA plant working towards that aim.

Additionally Armenia’s political issue is not about finding a strategic partner
since this has already been established as a long term project through the relevant security and other treaties.

Armenia’s political issues are poor governance, unfair distribution of national wealth, corruption – financial, legal etc, lack of economic growth etc.

Politicians use diversionary tactics to focus elseware and find excuses for not tackling the above.

I certainly do not believe in democracy because of the human nature. It is impossible to say that the Armenian state and the Armenian people have to have the same course, as the Armenian people are divided into many different groups with different ideologies, actually I find it pretty sick and naive that you think like that way.

The democracy we read about in theory does not, and will not exist in reality. Speaking on general issues as you do now, I am a supporter of a free-economy, which in my opinion is the most important thing people want.

Armenia's political issue is not about finding a strategic partner it certainly isn't, it's about keeping (and expanding) the strategic partner. The strategic partner could have been lost in 2008, as could our newly fledged independent state together with Artsakh. I think it is pretty sick of you not understanding how close to a total catastrophy we were.

[arakeretzig]

Re: Armenia and the information war

it all boils down to, do you want to be America's biatch, or Russia's biatch? You're going to be fscked in the ass anyway, might as well enjoy it while being fscked. Armenia has made its choice.

[londontsi]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Vazgen and Karen wanted to form a partnership and would have been even more popular than Kocharian, probably they would have won the upcoming elections, thus they had to be removed.

It was both in the interests of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Armenia, as our interests coincide most of the time.

Anyways, it still remains very vague and unclear, and one can only form mere opinions about it.

The important thing is that the political course Armenia took since Kocharian (and now under Serge Sergysyan), is the right one.

I think you have a sick man’s mentality (politically).
You do not understand that Armenian people and Armenian state have to have the same course.
That is called democracy.

I doubt you understand or believe in democracy.
Your idiotic statements have the aim of discrediting Armenian-Russian strategic partnership.

Probably you are CIA plant working towards that aim.

Additionally Armenia’s political issue is not about finding a strategic partner
since this has already been established as a long term project through the relevant security and other treaties.

Armenia’s political issues are poor governance, unfair distribution of national wealth, corruption – financial, legal etc, lack of economic growth etc.

Politicians use diversionary tactics to focus elseware and find excuses for not tackling the above.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Armenia and the information war

You are effectively suggesting Russia had to gain from their murder, therefore it was done for the benefit of Russian interests.

So the culprit was either the long arm of Russia or pro Russian forces in Armenia.

Somebody who seems to walk with Russian blind man stick probably this is not what you wanted to imply.

You may find this document “How the "Goble Plan" was born and how it remains a political factor” from 2002

http://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/reliefweb_pdf/node-65016.pdf

in which the Armenian position in international law terms was stated.
I will remind you that The President and foreign minister at the time were Kocharyan and Oskanian and not the murdered.

Armenian President Robert Kocharian disclosed in February that international mediators had resurrected the prospect of a
territorial exchange to resolve the Karabakh conflict, and that Kocharian discussed that possibility during one of his meetings
with his Azerbaijani counterpart, Heidar Aliev. But both Kocharian and Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian have said
repeatedly that the Armenian side rejected such a territorial exchange out of hand. Oskanian stated in a TV interview on 4
June that "this issue is closed." He added that the international community cannot coerce any state to cede part of its territory,
and that Armenia therefore "has nothing to worry about," according to Snark.
.

Vazgen and Karen wanted to form a partnership and would have been even more popular than Kocharian, probably they would have won the upcoming elections, thus they had to be removed. It was both in the interests of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Armenia, as our interests coincide most of the time. Anyways, it still remains very vague and unclear, and one can only form mere opinions about it.

The important thing is that the political course Armenia took since Kocharian (and now under Serge Sergysyan), is the right one.

[londontsi]

Re: Armenia and the information war

LOL! Oh c'mon londontsi. Who wouldn't want to wake up next to this beautiful face that seems to have more oil on it than Baku's oilfields?





Natural beauty resting on the naturally oily beaches of the Caspian.





"I love the smell of freshly refined oil on my private beach in the morning." - thinks Mehriban Aliyeva as she reaches near orgasm.

At least she is half Azerbaboon ........... the other half being plastic!

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[londontsi]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Vazgen Sarksyan and Karen Demirchyan were planning to sell Armenia to the USA (West) and cut off ties with Russia, which wouldn't be hard because if they succeeded, Armenia would not exist today.

...... Needless to say, one can just imagine the indignation and rage Kremlin officials must have felt at the time.[/I]

http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com/...men-burst.html

You are effectively suggesting Russia had to gain from their murder, therefore it was done for the benefit of Russian interests.

So the culprit was either the long arm of Russia or pro Russian forces in Armenia.

Somebody who seems to walk with Russian blind man stick probably this is not what you wanted to imply.


You may find this document “How the "Goble Plan" was born and how it remains a political factor” from 2002

http://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/reliefweb_pdf/node-65016.pdf

in which the Armenian position in international law terms was stated.
I will remind you that The President and foreign minister at the time were Kocharyan and Oskanian and not the murdered.

Armenian President Robert Kocharian disclosed in February that international mediators had resurrected the prospect of a
territorial exchange to resolve the Karabakh conflict, and that Kocharian discussed that possibility during one of his meetings
with his Azerbaijani counterpart, Heidar Aliev. But both Kocharian and Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian have said
repeatedly that the Armenian side rejected such a territorial exchange out of hand. Oskanian stated in a TV interview on 4
June that "this issue is closed." He added that the international community cannot coerce any state to cede part of its territory,
and that Armenia therefore "has nothing to worry about," according to Snark.

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[londontsi]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Yes, you have each other.

I detect desperation in your comment.


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[Mos]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Vazgen Sarksyan and Karen Demirchyan were planning to sell Armenia to the USA (West) and cut off ties with Russia, which wouldn't be hard because if they succeeded, Armenia would not exist today.

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