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Armenia and the information war

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  • Tigranakert
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    Re: Armenia and the information war

    Originally posted by arakeretzig View Post
    Could you remind us what these "politicians" were planning? Serious question, I don't know much about armenian politics in 90's.
    Vazgen Sarksyan and Karen Demirchyan were planning to sell Armenia to the USA (West) and cut off ties with Russia, which wouldn't be hard because if they succeeded, Armenia would not exist today.

    Under the Goble Plan Armenia was to be expected to essentially abandon its border connection with Iran. A ten kilometer wide corridor along Armenia's southern border region with Iran, stretching from south-western Azerbaijan to eastern Nakhijevan was then to be internationalized. In return, Baku was to be expected to recognize Artsakh's independence. The overall intent/purpose of this Washingtonian project was to divert Central Asian energy distribution away from Russian control - as well as settling the dispute over Nagorno Karabakh independent of Moscow.

    Again, we must bare in mind that this ambitious plan was hatched by officials in Washington during the mid-1990s. In other words, it was concocted during a time when Russia was on its knees and to a large extent at the mercy of the West. Taking advantage of Russia's weak political position at the time, Washington was more-or-less hoping for Yerevan to voluntarily disconnect itself from Iran, arguable Armenia's most strategic neighbor - for mere promises made by Western oil interests. By expecting it to abandon its border with Iran, Yerevan was essentially being asked to voluntarily complete the total encirclement and geopolitical isolation of the already embattled Armenian state. Incredibly, by not surprisingly, this potentially disastrous/suicidal plan seemed to have found willing partners in the highest echelons of the Armenian government.

    There were indicators at the time that Prime Minister Vazgen Sarkisian and National Assembly Speaker Karen Demirjian had at least preliminarily accepted Washington's aforementioned proposals. Thus, Armenian officials were, at least preliminarily, getting ready to partake in the West's agenda in the Caucasus. Shortly before their deaths, Vazgen Sarkisian and Karen Demirjian were publicly stating that Yerevan will no longer allow itself to be subservient to Moscow and that Armenia will seek better relations with the West. This very significant development in Armenian politics at the time was unmistakably a direct political message to Moscow and it had come soon after Vazgen Sarkisian's working visit to Washington. Needless to say, one can just imagine the indignation and rage Kremlin officials must have felt at the time.


    Last edited by Tigranakert; 10-21-2011, 12:28 PM.

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  • bell-the-cat
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    Originally posted by londontsi View Post
    True, Armenians have an "eternal" enemy.
    Yes, you have each other.

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  • Federate
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    Re: Armenia and the information war

    Originally posted by londontsi View Post
    Why, do you fancy her?
    LOL! Oh c'mon londontsi. Who wouldn't want to wake up next to this beautiful face that seems to have more oil on it than Baku's oilfields?





    Natural beauty resting on the naturally oily beaches of the Caspian.





    "I love the smell of freshly refined oil on my private beach in the morning." - thinks Mehriban Aliyeva as she reaches near orgasm.

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  • arakeretzig
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    Re: Armenia and the information war

    By Tigranakert


    Back in the late 1990s our politicians were again flirting with national suicide. Thankfully they were eliminated in spectacular fashion on October 27, 1999. I hope that a reliving of that bloody day in Armenian history is not where we are headed today.
    Could you remind us what these "politicians" were planning? Serious question, I don't know much about armenian politics in 90's.

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  • Mos
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    Re: Armenia and the information war

    Originally posted by arakeretzig View Post
    great for who?
    Originally posted by londontsi View Post
    Why, do you fancy her?
    Having your enemy be represented by a fashion obsessed woman that is addicted to plastic surgery. It would just be humiliating for Azeris, especially in the Muslim world.

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  • londontsi
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    Originally posted by Mos View Post
    Aliyev's wife as President - that would be great
    Why, do you fancy her?

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  • arakeretzig
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    Re: Armenia and the information war

    Originally posted by Mos View Post
    Aliyev's wife as President - that would be great
    great for who?

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  • Mos
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    Re: Armenia and the information war

    Aliyev's wife as President - that would be great

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  • Tigranakert
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    Re: Armenia and the information war

    Originally posted by londontsi View Post
    Can you name a political forece in Armenia with this type of rhetoric.

    I do not mean some poxy foreign financed NGOs etc.

    But an Armenian "major" party representing actual people rather than some foreign interests.
    Heritage, ANC, Aram Sargysyan's Republic party and to a lesser extent the ARF (there are more, but smaller parties). They are supported by dozens of "political experts" and NGO's.

    I am still amazed why the Armenian media keeps quoting self-proclaimed "political" experts with dubious backgrounds, who give about a dozen conferences a day. In no other country in the world have I seen so many coverage in the media of conferences of self-proclaimed political "experts" (the variety of bullxxxx things they say is just hilarious).

    I rarely see this kind of news in The Netherlands, I can't imagine news headlines with titles as "The Netherlands too dependent on Germany". .....Today, a conference was held, by so-called self-proclaimed political experts with dubious backgrounds, stating their opinion about the relationship between The Netherlands and Germany, and that is why this opionion is making news headlines in Dutch newspapers and is reported on almost every Dutch news website. ...
    Even though this self-proclaimed political expert with no political expertise nor an impressive education, who by the way lived all his live outside the Netherlands, is sent and financed by France to make these kind opinion statements regarding their non-beloved Germany, still his opinions made on a conference somewhere, should be presented in all the major news websites.

    (one of these example is the ex-muslim convert who married an Algerian wife, but then got divorced and sent to Armenia, and now somehow taken seriously, Richard Giragosian).

    xxxxing unbelievable.
    Last edited by Tigranakert; 10-21-2011, 04:12 AM.

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  • londontsi
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    Re: Armenia and the information war

    Originally posted by Tigranakert View Post
    ....

    Russian-Armenian relations has become a cause of anxiety in certain circles. The primary complaints are that Armenia is too dependent on Russia .....
    Can you name a political forece in Armenia with this type of rhetoric.

    I do not mean some poxy foreign financed NGOs etc.

    But an Armenian "major" party representing actual people rather than some foreign interests.
    Last edited by londontsi; 10-21-2011, 03:13 AM.

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