Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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Armenian Air Force

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Razm.info was asked whether Azeri S-300s can shoot down our SCUD-B on Facebook and this is their reply:

Գոռ Գրիշյան Harsa tsagum yete mer scuder nuyn hajoghusyamb azerikner karoghen vochichasnel s-300 systemov?

Razm.Info Հայկական զինուժի սպառաինությունում առկա «Սկադերն» անցել են արդիականացում՝ հենց մեր մասնագետների կատարմամբ։ Պաշտոնապես նշվում է, որ այդ արդիականացման արդյունքում.
1. Մեծացել է հրթիռների՝ թիրախների խոցման ճշգրտության աստիճանը
2. Հրթիռներն ավելի դժվար հասանելի են դարձել հակառակորդի ՀՕՊ միջոցների համար։

https://www.facebook.com/razm.info/posts/732979186812416

After trying to figure out how the accuracy of a Scud could be increased and, at the same time, make it more difficult to intercept I started coming across the Scud-D variant that was never put into service by the Soviet military but was offered for export. The missile has a separating warhead, unlike the previous B and C version, and is equipped with an optical guidance system achieving an alleged 50m CEP.

According to the info I'm reading, when a missile has a separating warhead it makes it more difficult for the intercepting system to differentiate between the warhead and the rocket body. This requires the system to "perform more complex computation and sense more subtle changes in the target's behavior". http://defense-update.com/products/s/scud_040509.html". This would require a radar to focus much more on the target, degrading it's ability to track multiple targets.

That leads me to Azerbijan's purchase of the Green Pine radar which was designed to "discriminates targets from natural clutter and countermeasures" while maintaining the ability to track "dozens" of targets. http://www.deagel.com/Ground-Sensors...001469001.aspx
This radar is specify tested by Israel and the US against missiles that have separating warheads and even with all those recourses and cash, failures of the system have occurred. http://www.network54.com/Forum/21183...TERCEPT+SCUD+D
That goes to show the difficulty Azerbijan would have trying to intercept multiple Scud-D's at the same time.

Another nice thing about the Scud-D is that it has a payload of 985KG and comes with different warhead options which are, conventional unitary blast ,fuel-air explosive , 40 runway-penetrator sub-munitions , 100 11-lb (5-kg) anti-personnel bomblets.
http://fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/theater/r-11.htm(warhead options)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scud#Scud-D(payload)

Here's what 1000KG's of fuel air explosives looks like.

With a CEP of 50 meters and an explosion like that I'm hoping we have some Scud-D's. Also the launcher for the Scud-B can launch both Scud-C's and Scud-D's meaning we only need to buy the missiles and some different fuel related equipment.

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Armenian Army

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Press Release
2015-06-09


Today, the preparations and second round staff negotiations for the organization of the “Indestructible Brotherhood 2015” military exercises of the CSTO Peacekeeping Forces, which will be held within the Armenian territory from September 30 to October 4, have concluded.
The negotiations were attended by the representatives of ministries and departments of CSTO member states, CSTO Secretariat, Joint Staff, as well as the Delegation of the International Committee of Red Cross.
First Deputy Minister of Defense Davit Tonoyan gave an opening speech.
Throughout the two working days, the parties will establish a final agreement on the draft plan of military exercises, confirm the number of participants and multiple security issues, and will inspect the “Baghramyan” training center.

http://www.mil.am/1433834943

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I guess we took the nature way this time.cheaper,convenient and more destructive non the less




Armenia-committed fires in occupied Azerbaijani lands spread through contact line

[ 10 Juny 2015 10:25 ]
The immense fires have encompassed the cemeteries in the villages of Bash Garvand and Mirashelli

Aghdam. Teymur Zahidoglu – APA. Fires deliberately committed by Armenian armed forces in occupied Azerbaijani lands over the last couple of days have spread through neutral zone in the Aghdam part of the frontline, making its way into villages nearby.

The fires engulfed more territory last night, getting close to Aghdam’s Chiragli and Mirashelli villages and quickly encompassing the cemeteries in the villages of Bash Garvand and Mirashelli, which lie along the contact line.

Authorities have taken preventive measures to make sure the fires do not spread into arable areas.

The blaze was extinguished early this morning.

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Armenians Hold Mixed Views Of Russian Base: Opinion Poll June 10, 2015 - 5:28am, by Joshua Kucera The Bug Pit Armenia Nagorno-Karabakh Russia Armenians hold complex, at times contradictory views toward the Russian military base in their country, a new opinion poll has found. When asked whether it was "acceptable for a foreign state or institution to ensure Armenia’s national security," only 17 percent of Armenians found it acceptable. But then, asked if they "find the presence of any other state’s or structure’s military bases in Armenia acceptable or unacceptable?" 55 percent found it acceptable. Of those that found the presence of a foreign base acceptable, the greatest number of respondents (38 percent) said it was justified to protect against attack by Azerbaijan or Turkey, while 25 percent said "security guarantees" -- probably a broader version of the same answer. Those responses are hard to reconcile with one another, but probably represent the ambivalence many Armenians feel toward the Russian military presence in their country as a necessary evil. Russia operates the 102nd military base in Gyumri, Armenia's second city, and has about 5,000 soldiers stationed there. In 2010 Armenia agreed to allow the base to stay until 2044 and while Armenians have generally acquiesced to the base's presence, unprecedented protests against the base broke out in January after a Russian soldier abandoned the base and killed seven members of a local family in their home. Among the other interesting findings of the poll: • Of the 17 percent who agreed that "a foreign state/structure [is acceptable] in ensuring Armenia’s national security," 58 percent identified Russia as the preferred state, 10 percent identified the European Union, seven percent France and four percent the United States. No one mentioned either NATO or the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The latter does in fact play a role in Armenia's defense, at least on paper, but Armenians likely (and probably correctly) see Russia as the only important member to them and don't foresee any other members (Belarus and several Central Asian states) coming to their defense. • Of those who agreed that a foreign base on Armenian soil is acceptable, more Armenians identified Turkey (24 percent) as the threat they needed protection against than Azerbaijan (16 percent). That's an interesting finding, given that Azerbaijan is far more likely to attack Armenia than is Turkey. But perhaps Armenians believe 1. they could handle an attack by Azerbaijan themselves, but not one by the much more powerful Turkish military; 2. a war over the disputed territory of Nagorno Karabakh would be unlikely to spill over into Armenia, thus not triggering the collective security agreements Russia has with Armenia; or 3. that the base's location very near the Turkish border logically orients it toward that threat. • Asked if not joining the Russian-led Eurasian Economic Union would threaten the de facto independence of Nagorno Karabakh, many more Armenians say it would not (55 percent) than say it would (22 percent). The poll was conducted by the Armenian NGO Civilitas Foundation with support from the German and Norwegian governments.

http://www.eurasianet.org/node/73801

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Delegation of Armenian Armed Forces holds meetings in Georgia (PHOTO)
19:04, 10.06.2015
Region:Armenia, Georgia
Theme: Politics


YEREVAN. – The delegation headed by Chief of Staff of the Armenian Armed Forces Colonel General Yuri Khachaturov started official visit to Georgia.

The visit opened with a meeting of Khachaturov with Chief of Staff of the Georgian Armed Forces Vakhtang Kapanadze. Cooperation on defense was discussed during the meeting. The sides noted importance of cooperation and expressed readiness to expand cooperation on education, medical service and trainings of sergeants.

Colonel General Yuri Khachaturov was received by Georgian Prime Minister Irakly Garibashvili and President Giorgi Margvelashvili.

Armenia News - NEWS.am

http://news.am/eng/news/271175.html

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Armenians Hold Mixed Views Of Russian Base: Opinion Poll
June 10, 2015 - 5:28am, by Joshua Kucera The Bug Pit Armenia Nagorno Karabakh Russia
Armenians hold complex, at times contradictory views toward the Russian military base in their country, a new opinion poll has found.

When asked whether it was "acceptable for a foreign state or institution to ensure Armenia’s national security," only 17 percent of Armenians found it acceptable. But then, asked if they "find the presence of any other state’s or structure’s military bases in Armenia acceptable or unacceptable?" 55 percent found it acceptable. Of those that found the presence of a foreign base acceptable, the greatest number of respondents (38 percent) said it was justified to protect against attack by Azerbaijan or Turkey, while 25 percent said "security guarantees" -- probably a broader version of the same answer.

Those responses are hard to reconcile with one another, but probably represent the ambivalence many Armenians feel toward the Russian military presence in their country as a necessary evil.

Russia operates the 102nd military base in Gyumri, Armenia's second city, and has about 5,000 soldiers stationed there. In 2010 Armenia agreed to allow the base to stay until 2044 and while Armenians have generally acquiesced to the base's presence, unprecedented protests against the base broke out in January after a Russian soldier abandoned the base and killed seven members of a local family in their home.

Among the other interesting findings of the poll:

• Of the 17 percent who agreed that "a foreign state/structure [is acceptable] in ensuring Armenia’s national security," 58 percent identified Russia as the preferred state, 10 percent identified the European Union, seven percent France and four percent the United States. No one mentioned either NATO or the Collective Security Treaty Organization. The latter does in fact play a role in Armenia's defense, at least on paper, but Armenians likely (and probably correctly) see Russia as the only important member to them and don't foresee any other members (Belarus and several Central Asian states) coming to their defense.

• Of those who agreed that a foreign base on Armenian soil is acceptable, more Armenians identified Turkey (24 percent) as the threat they needed protection against than Azerbaijan (16 percent). That's an interesting finding, given that Azerbaijan is far more likely to attack Armenia than is Turkey. But perhaps Armenians believe 1. they could handle an attack by Azerbaijan themselves, but not one by the much more powerful Turkish military; 2. a war over the disputed territory of Nagorno Karabakh would be unlikely to spill over into Armenia, thus not triggering the collective security agreements Russia has with Armenia; or 3. that the base's location very near the Turkish border logically orients it toward that threat.

• Asked if not joining the Russian-led Eurasian Economic Union would threaten the de facto independence of Nagorno Karabakh, many more Armenians say it would not (55 percent) than say it would (22 percent).

The poll was conducted by the Armenian NGO Civilitas Foundation with support from the German and Norwegian governments.

http://www.eurasianet.org/node/73801