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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
    There is a glimpse of Armenia's future in Europe...
    Where are the people who insist that Russia is plotting behind our back with Turks?
    It appears that so far Europe has been taking that action.
    No wander that Europe has been called "a xxxxx" by some historians.

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    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      Originally posted by Hakob View Post
      Where are the people who insist that Russia is plotting behind our back with Turks?
      It appears that so far Europe has been taking that action.
      No wander that Europe has been called "a xxxxx" by some historians.
      People do not understand that the west has no interest in us in any way. They look at us as an opportunity to hurt Russia and nothing more then that. Our genocide and countless previous massacres have proven this many times yet many have been brainwashed via a vast and well funded western media sources. If there is a agreement in the works then I would like to see it but these supposed leaks cannot be verified and mean little until they are.
      Hayastan or Bust.

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      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        Originally posted by Shant03 View Post
        Moscow’s Plan?: Russian paper “discloses” Karabakh settlement variant “under discussion”
        Russian media have disclosed the alleged plan of Russia to settle the Karabakh conflict. Apparently, that is thе plan that Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov discussed with Armenia’s leadership during his November 9 visit to Yerevan.

        Russia’s Kommersant daily writes that according to its source close to the negotiations, “one of the variants of the peace plan, which is currently being discussed, is as follows: the Armenians return to Azerbaijan control over most of the captured Azerbaijani territories around Karabakh, while retaining the Lachin corridor, which provides connection with Armenia and, possibly, another district. Baku does not officially recognize Karabakh’s secession, but, according to the plan, it commits itself to not solving the problem by military means. The guarantee of it could be the deployment of international peacekeepers (the UN or the Collective Security Treaty Organization) in the conflict zone, as well as demilitarization of the districts returned to Azerbaijan.”

        The Armenian opposition newspaper “Haykakan Zhamanak” also suggests that such a plan was discussed during Lavrov’s visit. The daily claims Russia is preparing a “behind-the-scenes collusion”. Moscow is allegedly trying to convince Yerevan to hand over to Azerbaijan part of the lands held by Karabakh in exchange for Azerbaijan’s agreement to join the Eurasian Economic Union.

        At first glance it may seem that this plan is very similar to the so-called Madrid Principles of settlement proposed by the joint American, Russian and French chairmanship of the OSCE Minsk Group. However, there are at least two important differences: the Russian plan concerns the ceding of all territories around the former Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region, which is two-thirds of the current territory of Karabakh. In the Madrid Principles, however, the number of areas is not specified. Besides, the Russian plan has a hint at deployment in the conflict zone of the CSTO troops, in other words, Russian troops. While the mandate of the OSCE Minsk Group implies that forces of countries that are not intermediaries in the conflict settlement will rather be deployed.

        Moscow makes such a proposal to Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan at a time when Armenia is going to have a referendum on amendments to the Constitution, in accordance with which the country is to adopt a parliamentary form of government. These amendments – even if they fail to ensure Sargsyan’s continued formal power – will secure him from becoming detached from the top echelons of power under the next leader.

        The 168 Zham newspaper alleges that Russia is preparing “a coup d’etat plan” in Armenia. If Sargsyan does not agree to the terms of Russia on the Karabakh settlement and the deployment of Russian troops, Moscow, with the help of its supporters in Yerevan, is going to thwart the referendum and make the coup, according to the newspaper.

        The Armenian authorities do not confirm the existence of such a plan, but during Lavrov’s visit to Yerevan Armenian Foreign Minister Edward Nalbandian reaffirmed Yerevan’s commitment to the OSCE Minsk Group format. Though, Lavrov himself talked about it, warning Azerbaijan against shifting the issue to other platforms, such as the Council of Europe’s Parliamentary Assembly where Russia does not have sufficient influence.

        “168 Zham” assumes that if radical actions of opponents of the December 6 referendum start in Armenia soon, it will mean that the Armenian leadership has not accepted the Russian plan for a Karabakh conflict settlement and Moscow has started its efforts aimed at scuttling the referendum.
        My gut feeling says that this article is written for plants.

        Why plants? ...... because plants do very well with bullsh.t

        There simply is too many not viable conditions.

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        Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
        Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
        Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Originally posted by londontsi View Post
          My gut feeling says that this article is written for plants.

          Why plants? ...... because plants do very well with bullsh.t

          There simply is too many not viable conditions.

          .
          I agree however I saw this on three separate sources since last night so I thought maybe there is some truth to it?

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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            Originally posted by Shant03 View Post
            I agree however I saw this on three separate sources since last night so I thought maybe there is some truth to it?
            There are simply too many unreasonable conditions and expectations,

            but the punch line for me is the coup, not that it is not possible but

            We had our first coup not to give away Karabagh and now we are going to have a coup to give away Karabagh !!!

            All this ofcourse with the connivance of Russia.

            Another clue was, there is news circulating that Russia has plans to solve the Syrian conflict, she will put at the next international conference.

            Its just too convenient.

            .
            Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
            Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
            Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                    Փոխնախարար. միացյալ ՀՕՊ համակարգն ընդգրկում է նաև ՌԴ հարավային ռազմական օկրուգի ուժերը
                    Նոյեմբեր 12, 2015

                    Նոյեմբերի 10-ին Ռուսաստանի նախագահ Վլադիմիր Պուտինը հավանություն է տվել Հայաստանի հետ տարածաշրջանային միացյալ ՀՕՊ համակարգ ստեղծելու ՌԴ կառավարության առաջարկին: Հայաստանյան «Մեդիամաքս» լրատվական գործակալությունն այս թեմայով զրուցել է ՀՀ պաշտպանության նախարարի առաջին տեղակալ Դավիթ Տոնոյանի հետ։
                    ՀՀ պաշտպանության նախարարի առաջին տեղակալ Դավիթ Տոնոյան

                    ՀՀ պաշտպանության նախարարի առաջին տեղակալ Դավիթ Տոնոյան

                    Ըստ փոխնախարարի՝ փաստաթղթի մշակումը մեկնարկել է ՀԱՊԿ Հավաքական անվտանգության Խորհրդի որոշման համաձայն: Համաձայնագրի նախագիծը բազմիցս քննարկել են ՀՀ և ՌԴ պաշտպանության նախարարությունների փորձագետներն, այն անցել է ներպետական համաձայնեցման բոլոր փուլերը Հայաստանում, որից հետո ուղարկվել է հաստատման Ռուսաստան: Համաձայնագրի նախագիծը պատրաստ է, և կողմերը պետք է ընտրեն դրա ստորագրման վայրը և ամսաթիվը։

                    Տոնոյանը տեղեկացրել է նաև, որ սա երկկողմ համաձայնագիր է, սակայն երկրներից մեկի օդային տարածքի խախտման դեպքում այն կարող է գործել նաև ԱՊՀ և ՀԱՊԿ շրջանակում:

                    Խոսելով համաձայնագրի դրույթների մասին, Տոնոյանը ներկայացրել է.

                    «Փաստաթուղթը իրավական հիմք է դնում հավաքական անվտանգության կովկասյան տարածաշրջանում ՀՕՊ համակարգի ստեղծման համար՝ Հայաստանի և Ռուսաստանի պետական սահմանների շրջանակում: Դա թույլ կտա ՀՀ օդային տարածքի և պետության տարածքում գտնվող օբյեկտների պաշտպանության ընթացքում կիրառել ոչ միայն Հայաստանում տեղակայված 102-րդ ռուսական ռազմակայանի ՀՕՊ ուժերը և ավիացիան, այլ նաև ՌԴ Հարավային ռազմական շրջանի ուժերը: Դա ՀՀ և ՌԴ անվտանգության ապահովման հավելյալ երաշխիքներ կտրամադրի»:

                    Մեդիամաքսի հարցին, թե արդյո՞ք նոր համաձայնագիրը կարող է կիրառվել, եթե Ադրբեջանը վերսկսի ռազմական գործողությունները ղարաբաղյան հակամարտության գոտում, փոխնախարարն ասել է. «Վստահ եմ, որ չկան հիմքեր կասկածի տակ առնելու ԼՂՀ Պաշտպանության բանակի ՀՕՊ ուժերի և միջոցների արդյունավետությունը»:

                    Տարածաշրջանային ՀՕՊ համակարգերի ստեղծման նպատակը պահպանության տեղամասում համատեղ հակաօդային պաշտպանություն ապահովելն է: Ներկայում, բացի Հայաստանից, Ռուսաստանը տարածաշրջանային ՀՕՊ համակարգերի վերաբերյալ բանակցություններ է վարում նաև Տաջիկստանի և Ղրղզստանի հետ: Ղազախստանի հետ նման համակարգի ստեղծման պայմանավորվածություն արդեն կա, ներկայում դրա նախապատրաստվում է դրա օրենսդրական բազան: Իսկ Բելառուսի հետ տարածաշրջանային ՀՕՊ համակարգն արդեն կազմավորված է, 2016 թվականից նախատեսվում է այն նշանակել մարտական հերթապահության:

                    Մասնավորապես նաև տարածաշրջանային ՀՕՊ համակարգերի ստեղծման շրջանակներում է, որ Ռուսաստանը Բելառուսին և Ղազախստանին անվճար փոխանցել է Ս-300 զենիթահրթիռային համակարգեր:

                    http://razm.info/76312

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