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    Armenian visitors observe PATRIOT exercise under State Partnership Program 07.21.2015






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      Surprising that we have not formed a diasporan deployment units as in “Armenian Diaspora Legion". We should have constant training in Armenia to start training our Diasporans for back up. I think we can easily have around 50.000 people as a back up. Also, this should not be limited to the military. We have millions of Armenians scattered all around the world many are in strategic positions that can be major assets in intelligence gathering network and if needed for undercover operations.
      Last edited by Azad; 09-28-2015, 12:34 PM.

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        Yeah we should have something like that , or at least a summer training program for Armenians from the Diaspora.

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          Armenian hackers publish secret Azerbaijani documents
          An Armenian hacking group, Monte Melkonyan Cyber Army attacked the official website of the Azerbaijani Ministry of Emergency Situations, uploading some secret documents online.

          The group reported at the same time that they managed to crack nine other Azerbaijani websites. They published the documents of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the list of hacked sites in a Facebook post.

          The attack was prompted by the Azerbaijani armed forces’ shelling of the Armenian border and the peaceful villages.

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            Baku fires howitzers amid global community’s idle sighs
            Realizing the mediators and world powers cannot be relied on, Armenia pledged to punish Azerbaijan itself.
            The longer powers interested in the Karabakh conflict settlement, international organizations and the OSCE Minsk Group mediators keep silent, the more uncontrollable Azerbaijan becomes, trying to turn the situation in the conflict zone into a full-scale war.
            The fact that the absence of adequate response to Azerbaijan's provocations in the Karabakh conflict zone will lead to a further escalation of tension was much talked about.

            Inspired by its own impunity, Baku has for years thwarted peace talks, creating dangerous situation at the line of contact with Nagorno Karabakh and on the border with Armenia.

            Throughout the 20 years after signing the ceasefire agreement in 1994, Azerbaijani armed forces violated truce with surprising regularity, opening fire on Armenian military positions, villages and civilians. They shelled from assault rifles, machine guns, sniper rifles.

            Azerbaijan “marked” the 20th anniversary of that very Bishkek protocol by escalating the situation and using larger-caliber weapons. In December 2014, for the first time in many years, 60- and 82-mm mortars were used to shell Armenian position. The international community signed worriedly, shook its head, called on all parties (!) to maintain ceasefire and fell silent.

            On November 12, 2014, an Armenian Mil Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down by Azerbaijani Armed Forces, killing all three crew members. After the shoot-down, Azeri forces continued shelling the crash site, preventing Armenian forces from retrieving the bodies for several days. On November 22, 2014, units of Armenian special forces successfully recovered the slain bodies of the three Armenian pilots, along with parts of the helicopter.

            Meanwhile, Azerbaijan started using grenade launchers in January, 2015, with international mediators still worriedly sighing.

            120-mm mortars came to be used in March, 2015.

            While grenade launchers and mortars continued to fire, the OSCE Minsk Group Co-chairs continued to actively "not understand" who is to blame for the escalation.

            In August, Azerbaijani armed forces began firing from Turkish-made TR-107 rocket launchers. They shelled, in particular, a Karabakh position on August 25, with the NKR defense army servicemen Norayr Khachatryan (born 1995), Robert Mkrtchyan (born 1995), Harout Hakobyan (born in 1997) and Karen Shahinyan (born in 1997) receiving deadly shrapnel wounds.

            On September 26 for the first time in 20 years, Azeris used 122-mm howitzer D-30 to shell the Armenian positions.

            What about the mediators?

            The mediators, along with the same international community, continue sighing, shaking their heads and doing next to nothing to resolve the issue.

            This time, by the way, the OSCE Minsk group Co-chairs openly declared they did not know who to blame. “While we are unable to determine with certainty how the violence originated since each side accuses the other, the parties should work towards an OSCE investigation mechanism as discussed between the Presidents,” the mediators said in a statement.

            Later, however, the Co-chairs called for the Presidents of Armenia and Azerbaijan to accept an OSCE mechanism to investigate ceasefire violations. Without such a mechanism, they said, the sides will continue to blame each other for initiating deadly attacks on the line of contact and Armenia-Azerbaijan border. “Armenia has agreed to discuss the details of the mechanism, and we urged Azerbaijan to do the same,” the Co-chairs stated.

            Meanwhile, the Armenian Defense Ministry issued a statement to draw the OSCE Minsk Group’s and the international institutions’ attention to Azeri aggression. The Ministry said, in particular, that Azerbaijan’s usage of artillery weapons escalates the situation at the contact line in Karabakh conflict zone, which is another step towards large-scale military actions.

            The Defense Ministry stressed that consistent escalation by Azerbaijan, as well as the international community’s unaddressed criticisms and statements of concern are unacceptable.

            “Therefore, in order to silence the rival, stop its actions and thereby contribute to the negotiation process, the Armenian armed forces will from now on take adequate measures to destroy artillery and missiles, keeping a constant eye on places of deployment of units of the Azerbaijani armed forces, all their moves, military equipment and manpower,” the Ministry said in a statement.

            The international community continues shaking its fingers at everybody.

            And since finger-shaking is unlikely to scarе Baku, what should the Armenian side expect? A Grad, an Uragan, or a Smerch?

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              1. Etchmiaszin posed a very smart question! I was thinking about this myself this morning. Is it possible that they just aimed at our barracks and by chance hit 4? Or were they observing with UAVs? The second option may be much more dangerous! It means we're not able to rid our skies of these bastards.

              2. how realistic it is for our troops behind tbe frontlines to be wearing anti sharpnel vests all the time for their protection, just in case? Shouldn't we take such a step and change the dress code of our boys in locations close to the frontline?

              3. In my opinion there is a positive side in all of this...the Azeris firing long range weapons deep in our territory only means that they are not able to do xxxx on the frontline...it doesn't take courage to fire an artillery shell from a distance of 15km from the frontline...this only proves that our boys are wasting them in direct confrontation.

              4. Don't rely much on the disapora to fight...most of us are just masters in criticizing our homeland without contributing anything real to it...however, i do support the formation of a diaspora legion...i believe we can get a few hundred or max a few thousand who wld be ready to march to death for their country ( i bet there are a few right here in this forum) but 50,000 is a large number. But in this case it's not the issue of the number that counts...u can get a 1000 diasporan nationalists...train them to do just 1 thing (snipers or anti-tank missile crews) and make them real masters of just 1 function (because they will not have enough time to train for everything) and leave them in the battlefield...they can make serious changes in the balance.

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                Originally posted by ArmeniaSacra View Post
                1. Etchmiaszin posed a very smart question! I was thinking about this myself this morning. Is it possible that they just aimed at our barracks and by chance hit 4? Or were they observing with UAVs? The second option may be much more dangerous! It means we're not able to rid our skies of these bastards.
                It might not have been a UAV. The turks to our west have launched at least one observation satelite and I'm sure its orbit would bring it near the frontline. The positions that were hit are obviously stationary eliminating the need for real time surveillance from a UAV. It could have been a drone but I think there are other possible senerios. We have been successful in shooting down drones before... But that doesn't mean we can shoot them down everytime.
                Mihi vindictam ego retribuam dicit Dominus

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                  Originally posted by Azad View Post
                  Surprising that we have not formed a diasporan deployment units as in “Armenian Diaspora Legion". We should have constant training in Armenia to start training our Diasporans for back up. I think we can easily have around 50.000 people as a back up. Also, this should not be limited to the military. We have millions of Armenians scattered all around the world many are in strategic positions that can be major assets in intelligence gathering network and if needed for undercover operations.
                  Whoever wants to join the diasporan squadron or something like that. Is joining the Armed forces specially now when it's so easy to get nationality.

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                    There is a lot of changes coming in the region with Russia’s involvement in Syria, an agreement with Iraq that involves Russian, Iran and Syria and a close rapprochement with Egypt.
                    Russia is taking over the Muslim world (an anti Israel-Saudi axis) and appeasing the Muslims by inaugurating a mosque in Russia.

                    http://news.yahoo.com/iraq-steps-ant...101434698.html

                    http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Sec...7731443026906/

                    Turkey should be very worried with its backward involvement in the region. No one knows if the kurds will gain some autonomy in the region now that Russia is in the equation.
                    The one that got royally screwed is Israel with the same balance of the powers from the 60’s. The US will soon arm Israel even more. Its cooperation with the azeris is pitiful, a joke at best. Looks like its turkish ally of the 60’s got replaced with the azeris.
                    As far Armenia, if needed war will start on our terms. These childish attacks north of Armenia are obvious distractions, they should be retaliated by gaining all higher grounds in Nakhichevan.
                    Oil prices are so low that 40% of revenues are lost for the azeri’s survival as a country. Reason why the idiot in baku is shifting the attention to Armenia. At this point let us wait and see and not take their bait.
                    Next move is NATO’s … what will be their move? Instead of Armenia being defensive what would be our best move in shifting the azeri’s conflict with … let say with the Iranians?
                    Last edited by Azad; 09-28-2015, 05:23 PM.

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                      Originally posted by Spetsnaz View Post
                      Whoever wants to join the diasporan squadron or something like that. Is joining the Armed forces specially now when it's so easy to get nationality.
                      Unfortunately, most people in the diaspora have their daily lives. This will be a back up force as an Army Reserve they will be called on when things go bad.

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