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Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Originally posted by Azad View Post
    Here is a better perspective.

    The part people are nagging is the percentage that will be exported somehow connecting it to corruption. Really? Life is not a free ride.
    That is not why I was "nagging" !!!

    My point was what are the safeguards for our military exports not being resold to Azerbaijan by our loyal and paternal ally,
    also responds to the name mother Russia from some.

    The other reason for nagging was the announced cost of the plant. I gave an example how corruption is applied with social investors ... unless there is an explanation.

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    Last edited by londontsi; 07-15-2016, 03:41 AM.
    Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
    Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
    Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      Originally posted by londontsi View Post
      Regret your comments lack debating content.

      Therefore I will try and suggest a few angles you could have made a point.


      “There will be agreement to stop resale of these goods” ,

      “New anti corruption systems have been put in place so as not to be effected from the general corrupt environment.”

      “The plant required has a high cost because ..... however this will be a one off cost with a relatively long productive life. etc etc.”

      Calling people’s frustration and the sense of betrayal by the corrupt and treacherous leadership ridicules is same as blaming the victim.

      PS. I have never been against Armenia having defence technology and industrial capacity.
      Stick to the topic, will you?

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      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        Originally posted by londontsi View Post
        My point was what are the safeguards for our military exports not being resold to Azerbaijan by our loyal and paternal ally,
        also responds to the name mother Russia from some.
        We are not inviting so proprietary products that our allies are anxiously waiting to ship them in return to our impatient enemies. They are night visions that Russia was the first to mass manufacture and ship across the globe to consumers 20 years ago. You can buy hundreds for variations from Chinese websites for less than $500. You are worried the Azeris will end up with Armenian night visions or sensors? Most likely, the exported versions will be sold to the ex soviet countries.
        The only reason these products are going to be manufactured, cause we need them. The export percentage will subsidize the internal needs.
        Last edited by Azad; 07-15-2016, 05:41 AM.

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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          ^^100%

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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            Photo from the Talish frontline



            "Ալեքսի հետ կանգնած ենք Թալիշի հենց այն հատվածում, որը որ ուղիղ գծով ամենամոտն է թշնամու դիրքերին: Ինչպես տեսնում եք մեզանից հետո չկա ոչ մի տուն, այսինքն մենք համարյա գյուղից դուրս ենք ամենամոտ տնից էլ մոտ 70 մետր դեպի դուրս: Ես հայտարարել էի, որ տարածվող լուրերը թե թշնամին Թալիշին այնքան է մոտեցել, որ կարող է սովորական հրազենով խոցել բնակիչներին կատարյալ սուտ են, և ցավում եմ որ ստիպված եմ ամեն ասածս նման կերպով վերահաստատելու: Ամենամոտ հատվածը Թալիշ գյուղին 3100 մետրից ավել է: Գյուղի հիմնական մասը չի էլ դիտարկվում ընդհանրապես, իսկ 60% չդիտարկվելով հանդերձ 3500 մետրից էլ ավել հռու են: Բոլորս էլ քաջ տեղյակ ենք, որ մենք ունենք շատ գյուղեր, որոնք շատ ավելի մոտ են թշնամու դիրքերին, բայց դա չի նշանակում, որ չկան Թալիշում պրոբլեմներ բնակիչների վերադարձը խոչընդոտող: Խնդիրը շատ բարդ է և հիմնականում հոգեբանական: Տղայիշ հետ մեկ որով թեկուզ «ամենավտանգավոր» կետում կանգնելով իհարկե ես ինձ իրավունք չեմ վերապահի, որևէ մեկին մեղադրելու թե ինչու՞ չեք վերադառնում ձեր տները: Այ եթե ես ոչ թե այցելեի այլ բնակվեի Թալիշում իմ ընտանիքի հետ միգուցե ինձ նման բան թույլ կտայի, բայց չեմ կարող չասել, որ ես միտում եմ տեսնում, որոշ օղակներում, որոնք ըստ երևույթին նույնիսկ Թալիշի տեղը կոնկրետ չգիտեն այս գյուղի և բնակիչների խնդիրները շահարկելով, քաղաքական դիվիդենտներ շահել կամ անձնական խնդիրներ լուծել: Անկախ թե նրանք քաղաքական այդ քաոսի որ բևեռում են գտվում, միանշանակ նրանք կատարում են ապազգային գործունեություն և ես համոզված եմ, որ բոլորն էլ մի օր դրա համար պատասխան են տալու... Թալիշը ապրելու է և լավ է ապրելու, համենայն դեպս ես իմ կարողություններով ամեն ինչ անելու եմ դրա համար...Մնացածի մասին և տեսանյութը արդեն վաղը` «Դիրքերում» հաղորդաշարի հերթական թողարկման ժամանակ, Շանթի եթերում..."

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            • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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              Last edited by Vrej1915; 07-15-2016, 06:50 AM.

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              • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
                .....
                Vrej that was a weird post. You sounded like a elite KGB that deciphered a major network.
                How did you even connect Lebanon, arm dealer, unspoken yet a common secret in one post, was beyond my comprehension. Glad you deleted it

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                • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                  Originally posted by ayrudzi View Post
                  I agree but even though Iranians are very close to us genetically Georgians, Assyrians, turks ( turkified armenians, and anatolians) and azeris ( turkified lezgins, and Aghvanks) are much closer
                  Georgians are not an Indo-European people. They are like daghestanis and chechens, hence why they seem to keep siding with the Turks all the time. Iranians and Armenians are indo-euro, hence why we get along even when we don't.

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                  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                    Originally posted by londontsi View Post
                    That is not why I was "nagging" !!!

                    My point was what are the safeguards for our military exports not being resold to Azerbaijan by our loyal and paternal ally,
                    also responds to the name mother Russia from some.

                    The other reason for nagging was the announced cost of the plant. I gave an example how corruption is applied with social investors ... unless there is an explanation.

                    .
                    If our weapons get into the hands of Azerbaijan, then that should be a good thing. We can know how much of what they can have, and keep track of them from the inside.

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                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Originally posted by Azad View Post
                      We are not inviting so proprietary products that our allies are anxiously waiting to ship them in return to our impatient enemies. They are night visions that Russia was the first to mass manufacture and ship across the globe to consumers 20 years ago. You can buy hundreds for variations from Chinese websites for less than $500. You are worried the Azeris will end up with Armenian night visions or sensors? Most likely, the exported versions will be sold to the ex soviet countries.
                      The only reason these products are going to be manufactured, cause we need them. The export percentage will subsidize the internal needs.

                      Exactly. This kind of economic scaling is what we need more of. Armenia's requirements for arms are small but global market for arms is huge. Build 150 drones and keeping 30 for ourselves helps us offset the costs. Maybe not tanks, but small arms, light weapons, and sensors definitely.

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