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Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Originally posted by Spetsnaz View Post
    Azerbaijan: Deal Reached With Israel for Iron Dome
    December 19, 2016

    A senior Azerbaijani government official announced Dec. 18 that Azerbaijan had reached a deal with Israel to buy the Iron Dome air-defense system. How useful the system will be in Azerbaijan's standoff with Armenia over the Nagorno-Karabakh region is uncertain, however. Notably, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees Moscow's arms sales, was in Azerbaijan just before Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visited Dec. 13. Azerbaijan would have wanted to be forthcoming with Russia about what kind of system it was buying from Israel and, more importantly, whether it would challenge the military balance Moscow works to maintain between Azerbaijan and Armenia.

    The motivation behind the purchase is unclear. Armenia had recently acquired Iskander ballistic missiles, greatly increasing its military capabilities, but the Iron Dome batteries would be useless against the high-flying Iskanders. Azerbaijan already possesses S-300 and Barack-8 systems that are effective against Iskander missiles. Moreover, it is unclear how many Iron Dome batteries Azerbaijan bought — the smaller the number, the less effective the dome defense would be. Israel, for instance, owns 10 Iron Dome batteries, which can cost up to $50 million each, with rockets estimated to cost $100,000 each. It was assumed that financial limitations would prevent Azerbaijan from buying many batteries. But considering reports that recent arms deals between Israel and Azerbaijan have totaled $5 billion, Azerbaijan could have bought several batteries.

    Even when fortified with sufficient numbers of batteries, the Iron Dome has its weaknesses. Its batteries would have a hard time withstanding fire from large or long-range missiles. The Iron Dome system is designed primarily to deter threats from smaller artillery rockets and mortar rounds, though it can be overwhelmed by large numbers of those, as well. Though fighting in Nagorno-Karabakh is not expected to reach the levels it did during a flare-up of violence earlier this year, it could certainly intensify. That said, rocket artillery and mortar fire are frequently used along the border of the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region, and the Iron Dome could help protect towns and bases near the contact line.

    https://www.stratfor.com/snapshots/a...rael-iron-dome
    Incorrect

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    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      Originally posted by Spetsnaz View Post
      Azerbaijan: Deal Reached With Israel for Iron Dome
      December 19, 2016

      ... for instance, owns 10 Iron Dome batteries, which can cost up to $50 million each, with rockets estimated to cost $100,000 each.
      Good! Here goes another $750 million to $1 billion from their Sofaz fund on unless shekel toys. A cheap copy of Patriot.

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      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        Originally posted by Azad View Post
        Good! Here goes another $750 million to $1 billion from their Sofaz fund on unless shekel toys. A cheap copy of Patriot.
        It's a really good (bad) investment for the Azeris. Let them spend money on stuff like these.
        A battery of these expensive yet ineffective toys could be wiped out with 1 Smerch launcher.

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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          I mean , not that I'm a professional or anything , but isn't the Iron Dome utterly useless in Karabakh ?
          What are they good against ? I've read everywhere that they can't even stop artillery.
          So each rocket costs 100 000 ? How much does one Armenian rocket ( of any kind , Iskander not included ) cost ? How will they be able to use the Iron Dome for more than one week ?
          Is it just a public show-off to distract the azeri population because that's the only explanation I can find.

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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            Originally posted by haydavid View Post
            What are they good against?
            Around 50% of this flying pipe bomb

            http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-W52dVrx6xj...am+rockets.jpg

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            • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

              Originally posted by Azad View Post
              Good! Here goes another $750 million to $1 billion from their Sofaz fund on unless shekel toys. A cheap copy of Patriot.
              That's exactly the kind of thing we should be pushing for. We should have encouraged them to build up a massive navy in the Caspian while we were at it too.

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              • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                Originally posted by haydavid View Post
                I mean , not that I'm a professional or anything , but isn't the Iron Dome utterly useless in Karabakh ?
                What are they good against ? I've read everywhere that they can't even stop artillery.
                So each rocket costs 100 000 ? How much does one Armenian rocket ( of any kind , Iskander not included ) cost ? How will they be able to use the Iron Dome for more than one week ?
                Is it just a public show-off to distract the azeri population because that's the only explanation I can find.
                Exactly.
                Each of these launchers have 20 missiles vs 40 (1 launcher) for the regular Soviet BM-21 grad.
                The 122mm Grad missile is cheap and can be found anywhere.
                To intercept 1 Grad this thing needs to throw 2 missiles at it.
                1 Iron Dome missile costs $100,000.
                To intercept (in theory) 1 BM-21 launcher they need to spend $8 million vs. more or less $40,000 for a full BM-21 truck.
                This is hilarious.

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                  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                    Azerbaijani Manat hits 2.5 vs $1 on the black market as banks do not sell USD.

                    http://armenpress.am/eng/news/872617...ck-market.html

                    Maybe they should start using Shekels.

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                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Լիբանանում հայ խաղաղապահների թվի մեծացման հարցով բանակցություններ են ընթանում. գեներալ–մայոր

                      https://news.am/arm/news/363928.html

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