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  • #21331
    Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Originally posted by gokorik View Post
    I'm having trouble understanding exactlly what you mean. So you're saying its possible Russian might see some sort of benifit in azerbaijan attacking us? That this might be moscow doing? Could you clarify what you mean?

    If Russia's behavior (or silence) is fishy for us, it must be fishier for Azeris, since selling them weapons is against Russia's own commitments with Armenia. Several occasions Russian officials declared that Russia is ready to protect it's ally Armenia in case of need. That leaves turkey out. It must be worrisome for Baku to play in bear's arms.
    Russia's move in Syria so far has not been met with serious western resistance. Nobody will guarantee of any restraint for Russia in Armenian/ Azery war.
    So Azeris must also think that this could also be a trap by Russia. Get Baku start a war and then choke it to submission by our help.
    At one point, worsening of relations with west is very damaging for Baku.
    Unless, they have guarantees from Russia. But who has had any from them?
    The cards are in Russia's hands.
    If Baku starts a war, there is more of a chance it won't be the one to finish it. And it might not be in their liking.
    I don't think that Russia will give up an ace card like Artsakh to anybody any time soon. It will need it for a long time.
    just a theory, nothing more.
    Artsakh is the reason why Russia has Armenia as an ally and Azerbaijan buying Russian weapons and playing friend, when it could buy western better weapons.
    If peacekeepers are stationed there, both of this countries can have and be forced into much larger diplomatic potentials that will involve west.
    Right now it's in Russia's sole advantage.
    Last edited by Hakob; 09-27-2015, 11:23 AM.

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    • #21332
      Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      We are all forgetting that Russia has a military base in our country,even for the base's sake they would support us,azeris are infidels that saw Russia as sack of money to rip In the case of gabala radar and their acceptance of Georgian territorial integrity and connections to west makes Russia as angry as all of baboons neighbors.i don't even mention the competition in oil and gas sector,their defeat is as rewarding for Putin as a bowl of grape being served to him on a coach while being cool down by two hot girls waving big bird feathers,like in the movies lmao,you get the picture
      Last edited by argin; 09-27-2015, 01:34 PM.

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      • #21333
        Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        guys...guys...let's all think about this for a second! Russia will not intervene for now! Russia's a superpower and we shldnt expect that it's going to threaten a 3rd world country unless there is a solid reason to.

        CSTO is a BS organization! It really has no value, but don't forget that we have a mutual defense agreement with Russia and our ally relations to count on! You rly don't expect kazaks and the rest of the turkic bunch to fight on our side...but the russians will intervene when their position is threatened in the caucuses!

        Also, please, not every time the azeris fire at us means there is a russian conspiracy against us...I don't think aliev phonecalls Putin every 2 days and asks permission to fire! Azeris are more affected with turkish orders than russian.

        It's true that every loss of Armenian life is a great tragedy for us...for politics unfortunately it is not so...for Russia the death of few Armenian soliders mean nothing..they can't compromise they're already weakening global image with a new threatening statement in the caucuses! They will keep silent...but if things get out of hand...that's when we'll see the bear moving in! Whether Russia likes it or not...Armenia is the only reliable partner in the south...and I think Putin knows that too well to let anything happen that might result in Russia losing it's foothold in the south.

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        • #21334
          Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Originally posted by ArmeniaSacra View Post
          guys...guys...let's all think about this for a second! Russia will not intervene for now! Russia's a superpower and we shldnt expect that it's going to threaten a 3rd world country unless there is a solid reason to.

          CSTO is a BS organization! It really has no value, but don't forget that we have a mutual defense agreement with Russia and our ally relations to count on! You rly don't expect kazaks and the rest of the turkic bunch to fight on our side...but the russians will intervene when their position is threatened in the caucuses!

          Also, please, not every time the azeris fire at us means there is a russian conspiracy against us...I don't think aliev phonecalls Putin every 2 days and asks permission to fire! Azeris are more affected with turkish orders than russian.

          It's true that every loss of Armenian life is a great tragedy for us...for politics unfortunately it is not so...for Russia the death of few Armenian soliders mean nothing..they can't compromise they're already weakening global image with a new threatening statement in the caucuses! They will keep silent...but if things get out of hand...that's when we'll see the bear moving in! Whether Russia likes it or not...Armenia is the only reliable partner in the south...and I think Putin knows that too well to let anything happen that might result in Russia losing it's foothold in the south.
          You just hit a bulls eye,great explanation thanks fellow brother

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          • #21335
            Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            .

            There already has been reports that our forces have taken over 2 vantage points.

            The news feed claims these are confirmed reports.

            Therefore on this assumption the Azeri should start complaining about Armenian aggression OR deny these reports.

            They should start demanding our troop withdrawals.

            Here we will find our friends and not friends depending who puts pressure on us to withdraw.

            Also how successful we will be in our refusal to budge and therefore assume the pressure is superficial.

            The only problem I can see is, how transparent the both sides will be to the public of their actions.

            .
            Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
            Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
            Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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            • #21336
              Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

              Originally posted by londontsi View Post
              .

              There already has been reports that our forces have taken over 2 vantage points.

              The news feed claims these are confirmed reports.

              Therefore on this assumption the Azeri should start complaining about Armenian aggression OR deny these reports.

              They should start demanding our troop withdrawals.

              Here we will find our friends and not friends depending who puts pressure on us to withdraw.

              Also how successful we will be in our refusal to budge and therefore assume the pressure is superficial.

              The only problem I can see is, how transparent the both sides will be to the public of their actions.

              .
              The azeris will never admit to Armenia capturing territory for them that would be much worse than admitting losses of soldiers.

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              • #21337
                Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                Originally posted by armnuke View Post
                Գրավված է թշնամու 2 հենակետ

                Ըստ ճշտված աղբյուրների այս գիշեր ՀՀ հյուսիս-արևելյան սահմանագծի ուղղությամբ մեր զինված ուժերը գրավել են թշնամու 2 բարձրադիր հենակետ:
                Դրանք այն հենեկետերից են, որոնցից թշնամին պարբերաբար կրակում էր Տավուշի մարզի գյուղերի վրա: Աղբյուրը նշում է թշնամու մինիմում 5 զոհի մասին:
                Կան նաև վիրավորներ: Նշվում է նաև, որ հակառակորդը թողել է զենք-զինամթերք ու փախել իր տարածքի խորքը:
                Ինֆորմացիայի հավաստիությունը կասկածի ենթակա չէ: Կարծում եմ ՊՆ պաշտոնական հաղորդագրությունը չի ուշանա:

                http://orer.am/?p=134923&l=am
                We need more proof and hopefully it is provided by the MoD
                General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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                • #21338
                  Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                  Originally posted by Etchmiadzin View Post
                  The azeris will never admit to Armenia capturing territory for them that would be much worse than admitting losses of soldiers.
                  Then they should deny the reports.

                  They cannot pretend nothing is happening.

                  They can hide their losses of soldiers but cannot hide territorial losses.

                  Once things calm down journalists will be all over with photos etc.

                  .
                  Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                  Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                  Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                  • #21339
                    Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                    Originally posted by argin View Post
                    Although we wouldn't face all these if we gave a good response to the helicopter shut down like ghokorik mentioned,we look weak and more tolerant in their eyes but let them test the real deal
                    We gave a good response. Havasti aghpyurner. Can't disclose.

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                    • #21340
                      Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Originally posted by Spetsnaz View Post
                      We gave a good response. Havasti aghpyurner. Can't disclose.
                      Oh de lava vor mi ban arelenk

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