What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

[Karapapak]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

If you want us to start talking about imaginary stuff, let us look at the "history" of "Azerbaijan". Ever heard of Utik? If you want something to make a mockery of using cardinal directions, see "Western Azerbaijan" and "South Azerbaijan".

And if you had actually read the thread, your Stalinian exclaves were mentioned.

Northern Artsakh.

Its sooo self-invented that is not even funny. And only exists on Wikipedia.

And what about Utik?

[Icy]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

If you want us to start talking about imaginary stuff, let us look at the "history" of "Azerbaijan". Ever heard of Utik? If you want something to make a mockery of using cardinal directions, see "Western Azerbaijan" and "South Azerbaijan".

And if you had actually read the thread, your Stalinian exclaves were mentioned.

Well said, Fed.

[Federate]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

Northern Artsakh? Whats next? South? East? West? Or Outer? LOL

Imaginary stuff.

That region you talk about are the most pure Turkic blooded part of Azerbaijan. I m from there myself, the Tovuz rayon.

BTW, talking about your Artshaven (wich has been renamed to Başkənd), what about the 2 Azeri exclaves in northern Armenia?

If you want us to start talking about imaginary stuff, let us look at the "history" of "Azerbaijan". Ever heard of Utik? If you want something to make a mockery of using cardinal directions, see "Western Azerbaijan" and "South Azerbaijan".

And if you had actually read the thread, your Stalinian exclaves were mentioned.

[ArmSurvival]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

Northern Artsakh? Whats next? South? East? West? Or Outer? LOL

Imaginary stuff.

These geographical terms for Artsakh predate any Turkic presence in the region. Its also important to realize that Turks at no point in history constituted a majority in Artsakh. It has always been a majority-Armenian region, precisely because it is part of the Armenian homeland. Even 70 years of Azeri SSR rule with forced deportations/migrations could not make Turks a majority in Artsakh. So the only person imagining things is you.

[Karapapak]

Northern Artsakh? Whats next? South? East? West? Or Outer? LOL

Imaginary stuff.

That region you talk about are the most pure Turkic blooded part of Azerbaijan. I m from there myself, the Tovuz rayon.

BTW, talking about your Artshaven (wich has been renamed to Başkənd), what about the 2 Azeri exclaves in northern Armenia?

[Armanen]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

For the moment, yes. But Artsvashen is just a tiny piece of what was once known as Northern Artsakh. If the Azeris attack again, our borders should expand northward.

Yes, of course. But Northern Artsakh hasn't had an Armenian majority for some time now, so it would have been difficult to retake it and to hold on to it. It is better to have strong control of a little land rather than a little control over larger land, especially in the hostile situation Armenia finds itself in.

I expect that the 'buffer areas' would expand eastward and northward in case war resumes.

[Federate]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

Well, it may have been that especially prior to 1993, but I think it also seemed practical to do a swap, they can keep that enclave and we will keep the azeri enclave inside Armenia. It was a fair trade IMHO, considering the other options.

For the moment, yes. But Artsvashen is just a tiny piece of what was once known as Northern Artsakh. If the Azeris attack again, our borders should expand northward.

[Armanen]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

Armenia proper (as opposed to Artsakh) would need to cross into Azerbaijan since Artsvashen is an exclave and this would have led to disastrous consequences as Turkey could have possibly gotten its pretext to invade Armenia. Remember that on paper, it was Artsakh's Armenian population from within the former Azerbaijan SSR that fought the war of liberation and not Armenia.

Well, it may have been that especially prior to 1993, but I think it also seemed practical to do a swap, they can keep that enclave and we will keep the azeri enclave inside Armenia. It was a fair trade IMHO, considering the other options.

[Federate]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

Oh, damn, what were the roadblocks that affected our soldiers
to not liberate Artsvashen.

Armenia proper (as opposed to Artsakh) would need to cross into Azerbaijan since Artsvashen is an exclave and this would have led to disastrous consequences as Turkey could have possibly gotten its pretext to invade Armenia. Remember that on paper, it was Artsakh's Armenian population from within the former Azerbaijan SSR that fought the war of liberation and not Armenia.

[Icy]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

No, there are no Armenians in Artsvashen. And if there are, they might all be Azerified.

Oh, damn, what were the roadblocks that affected our soldiers
to not liberate Artsvashen.