What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

[Eddo211]

Re: What are the N.K. borders?

Among the chaos of our great history, though our will has never broken and our spirit never faltered, our borders have constantly changed.............What was, what is, and what shall be once more.

[Pazooki]

Re: What are the N.K. borders?

The land around Lake Van, and lands all the way west, bordering Cappadocia and all the way north bordering Pontus, were always more less the land of Armenians, lands which today have been lost in their entirety to Turks and Kurds.

If you want to go as far as to consider Armenians to be of Hurrian descent, you can include all of northern Syria and Lebanon, and the Lake Urmia area of Iran, as Armenian regions, and it should be noted that in our country's history, we've interacted with and at times re-established ourselves in those regions quite significantly.

Today, you'd just be asking for war if you wanted to lay claims to those lands, but when you have the might, like Tigran the Great did, you can do so victoriously.

xxxx Tigran the Great. My armies bigger than his.

[jgk3]

Re: What are the N.K. borders?

The land around Lake Van, and lands all the way west, bordering Cappadocia and all the way north bordering Pontus, were always more less the land of Armenians, lands which today have been lost in their entirety to Turks and Kurds.

If you want to go as far as to consider Armenians to be of Hurrian descent, you can include all of northern Syria and Lebanon, and the Lake Urmia area of Iran, as Armenian regions, and it should be noted that in our country's history, we've interacted with and at times re-established ourselves in those regions quite significantly.

Today, you'd just be asking for war if you wanted to lay claims to those lands, but when you have the might, like Tigran the Great did, you can do so victoriously.

[Pazooki]

Re: What are the N.K. borders?

After looking at these maps, I think to myself
"Man How Much Land Did We Lose?"
I mean I can't imagine what Armenia would be like
if we kept our lands.

We would be a lean mean Armenian machine

[Icy]

Re: What are the N.K. borders?

After looking at these maps, I think to myself
"Man How Much Land Did We Lose?"
I mean I can't imagine what Armenia would be like
if we kept our lands.

[Federate]

Re: What are the N.K. borders?

Great map once again by Armenia Reporter of the true borders of present-day Armenia and Artsakh.

[Federate]

Re: What are the N.K. borders?

"Red Kurdistan" was mostly formed from territory to the west of Artsakh. And, more importantly, territory was actually removed from the Armenian Soviet republic and given to the Kurdistan Uzeyd. When the Kurdistan Uzeyd was abolished those territories were not returned to Armenia but were incorporated into Azerbaijan.

Regardless of what it says on that poor-quality Wikipedia article, from what I've read it was not really formed to gain sympathy from Kurds in Turkey and Iran, but was formed as an alternative to giving complete control of the territory to Azerbaijan.

Correct, though the "territory west of Artsakh" (formerly called Kelbajar, Lachin) is part of Artsakh. You meant west of the former NKAO.

And thanks for the information on the real motive behind the theft, it makes much more sense.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: What are the N.K. borders?

The red part in the map is what used to be called "Red Kurdistan" or the "Kurdistan Uzeyd" during USSR times. You see, in order to gain sympathy from Kurdish movements in Turkey and Iran, the Soviets carved up a new district on Artsakh lands and called it "Red Kurdistan". It had no special status, just the name was symbolic. However, it was later disbanded and a portion of Kurds deported to Kazakhstan.

"Red Kurdistan" was mostly formed from territory to the west of Artsakh. And, more importantly, territory was actually removed from the Armenian Soviet republic and given to the Kurdistan Uzeyd. When the Kurdistan Uzeyd was abolished those territories were not returned to Armenia but were incorporated into Azerbaijan.

Regardless of what it says on that poor-quality Wikipedia article, from what I've read it was not really formed to gain sympathy from Kurds in Turkey and Iran, but was formed as an alternative to giving complete control of the territory to Azerbaijan.

[merhayrenik]

Re: What are the N.K. borders?

Federate thanks for all the great posts.

[Federate]

Re: What are the N.K. borders?

Hello brother federate, I have two little questions.
1. Are there any kurds left in Artsakh in that red part indicated on your map?
If yes why are we allowing our enemies (considering their collaboration with azerbaboons and triqs) to stay there?
2. Who coined the phrase azerbaboon? why is it listed in google and has 19000 hits?

1.There are Kurds left in Artsakh but their numbers are very few and they are isolated. They can be found in the Kashatagh province of Artsakh. Their numbers used to be much more but the vast majority of them left with the Azerbaboons during our liberation war. The Kurds are actually hated by the Azerbaboons and Turks and they always accuse us of aiding the Kurds. About a year ago, there were allegations by our enemies that we were harbouring the PKK in Artsakh (see Armenia-PKK)

The red part in the map is what used to be called "Red Kurdistan" or the "Kurdistan Uzeyd" during USSR times. You see, in order to gain sympathy from Kurdish movements in Turkey and Iran, the Soviets carved up a new district on Artsakh lands and called it "Red Kurdistan". It had no special status, just the name was symbolic. However, it was later disbanded and a portion of Kurds deported to Kazakhstan.

2. It's an Internet creation that started popping up all over the place at the same time. The hits show the rise and popularity of this made-up term.