Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

its right here man in the article you posted " they had applied for privatization on time but they were rejected" this means those apartments were never theirs.

Don't you know the difference between an owner-occupier, a tenant, and a squatter?

[Haykakan]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

If they owned the apartments they would be owners but they did not own, if they paid rent they would be renters but nowhere did your article imply that rent was paid, Squatter implies they are there illegally which does not seem to be the case. Thus these people do not seem to fit into any of the categories you describe.

[TomServo]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

But i though all things western were wonderfully infallible and that we should disregard all matters of our security and bow down before the west....

I can actually criticize things both Eastern and Western. It's amazing, I know!

You should try it sometime instead of prostrating yourself before Putin and Russia.

[londontsi]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

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SS at Strasburg, reference to Karabagh and EU at 2.00 - 6.00 min

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

If they owned the apartments they would be owners but they did not own, if they paid rent they would be renters but nowhere did your article imply that rent was paid, Squatter implies they are there illegally which does not seem to be the case. Thus these people do not seem to fit into any of the categories you describe.

The article says that they were initially there because they (or family members) were employed inside the Russian military base. They are called "service apartments" in the text. And I don't see why that should have changed - there is nothing said in the text that they are not, or that they are retired. So it seems more likely either the accomodation is paid for as part of their wages or is an informal perk of employment, or, most likely, they do pay some rent but do not have security of tenancy because they are service appartments. The problem is thus the very short eviction notice period, and their annoyance that they were not allowed to buy their appartments like everyone else but were still expected to pay for their upgrading over the years (and now it is some newly-arrived Russians who will benefit from the improvements to the flats they made). That seems plenty of things to be complaining about.

Those who were there who were Armenian citizens were later allowed to buy their flats (which suggests that the flats were - and the unsold ones still are - actually owned by the Armenian state), but those who were Russian citizens were not allowed to do this under Armenian law, even though they were ethnic Armenian.

[Haykakan]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Bell unless they were promised the apartments and later denied then the only problem would be the short notice if indeed that part of the story is true. It sure would be a inconvenience but it seems that it is part of the job they signed up for. This story reminds me of this family that made all kinds of renovations to the house they were renting then asked the owner to sell it to them and he refused. The owner never implied he would sell them the house thus there is no injustice here.

Tom you are extremely biased in your criticisms which are more often then not apply to both parties but in your languadge are limited to only one side getting the blame. Yeh Putin acts like an imperialist yeh you know just like France, Germany, Britain, USA..yet Russian empire has killed far fewer people and caused far less hardship and damadge then the Germans, Americans, British..but hey you choose to pick on Putin the most there hence lies your prejudice.

[Eddo211]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

The article says that they were initially there because they (or family members) were employed inside the Russian military base. They are called "service apartments" in the text. And I don't see why that should have changed - there is nothing said in the text that they are not, or that they are retired. So it seems more likely either the accomodation is paid for as part of their wages or is an informal perk of employment, or, most likely, they do pay some rent but do not have security of tenancy because they are service appartments. The problem is thus the very short eviction notice period, and their annoyance that they were not allowed to buy their appartments like everyone else but were still expected to pay for their upgrading over the years (and now it is some newly-arrived Russians who will benefit from the improvements to the flats they made). That seems plenty of things to be complaining about.

Those who were there who were Armenian citizens were later allowed to buy their flats (which suggests that the flats were - and the unsold ones still are - actually owned by the Armenian state), but those who were Russian citizens were not allowed to do this under Armenian law, even though they were ethnic Armenian.

This must be cat reasoning to twist and justify your logic to see things that don't exist....and you think we buy that.

[TomServo]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Tom you are extremely biased in your criticisms which are more often then not apply to both parties but in your languadge are limited to only one side getting the blame. Yeh Putin acts like an imperialist yeh you know just like France, Germany, Britain, USA..yet Russian empire has killed far fewer people and caused far less hardship and damadge then the Germans, Americans, British..but hey you choose to pick on Putin the most there hence lies your prejudice.

How can I be biased in my criticisms?

In your frenzy to attack the West, you forgot to mention another destructive empire: the Ottoman one. We can agree that there's nothing very nice about imperialism and countries that continue to think like empires -- that includes Russia.

And of course I choose to pick on Putin. When you act like a (self-appointed) czar, you're going to get called out on it.

[Haykakan]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

You are bias on who you choose to criticize. Yes imperialism is bad and yes Russia is imperialistic but so are all of the other countries i mentioned some of which are far worst imperialists like Great Britain (which aint so great) and USA. Look at all the damage they have done to the world and compare it to Russia -- Words like Czar, dictator, monarch, democracy..do not mean much Mr Servo. There are plenty of good and bad examples of all of these structures in history - the motivations of these leaders were and continue to be far more important then the structure of their rule.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Bell unless they were promised the apartments and later denied then the only problem would be the short notice if indeed that part of the story is true. It sure would be a inconvenience but it seems that it is part of the job they signed up for. This story reminds me of this family that made all kinds of renovations to the house they were renting then asked the owner to sell it to them and he refused. The owner never implied he would sell them the house thus there is no injustice here.

Of course being thrown out of your home of 20 years, with just 10 days notice, into a city with a chronic shortage of liveable apartments, is part of the story. It is central to the story!

And it will be a lot more than a mere "inconvenience" for those affected