Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Love this one.... I bet that is indirect implication that "strategic partnership" with Armenia is just on words....

But you are ok with getting the US the biggest ally Turkey has to Armenia but when the president of Russia makes a gesture of friendship to Turkey it's oooooooooo no they will sell Armenia. To me it seems everyone is better than Russia.

Did any one try to ask them ?

Ok let's follow the path with America building a base, Russia will retreat and we got the US there, have you thought that Russia can also take with them all their investments? Or what could have happen to all the Armenians living and working there, if they get kicked out of Russia what then? Will you provide for their families? Will the US? Our relationship with Russia is on many levels and ruin that can cost so much more than only political gains or loses, but human lives are at stake.

[Mukuch]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

But you are ok with getting the US the biggest ally Turkey has to Armenia but when the president of Russia makes a gesture of friendship to Turkey it's oooooooooo no they will sell Armenia...

Certanly they will ... as they did so many times... to the fierst one who will pay the price That why you never let any one to own your ass to do not be sold

Ok let's follow the path with America building a base, Russia will retreat and we got the US there, have you thought that Russia can also take with them all their investments? Or what could have happen to all the Armenians living and working there, if they get kicked out of Russia what then? Will you provide for their families? Will the US? Our relationship with Russia is on many levels and ruin that can cost so much more than only political gains or loses, but human lives are at stake.

Why do you think Russia will retreat? The only thing we can looss is the "startegic partnership" on words and will get a real not "strategic" partnership. Russians didnt withdrow from turkmenistan when americans created a base there. You see the point is not the base russian or american or chines... the point is the idea of not being tied to any country... BEING INDEPENDENT. In this moment turkmenistan is much more independent than Armenia.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Certanly they will ... as they did so many times... to the fierst one who will pay the price That why you never let any one to own your ass to do not be sold




Why do you think Russia will retreat? The only thing we can looss is the "startegic partnership" on words and will get a real not "strategic" partnership. Russians didnt withdrow from turkmenistan when americans created a base there. You see the point is not the base russian or american or chines... the point is the idea of not being tied to any country... BEING INDEPENDENT. In this moment turkmenistan is much more independent than Armenia.

So tell me when did Russia sell Armenia? Can you give me a date when Russia sold Armenia?

Ok, here are the facts Armenia doesn't have the resources that Turkmenistan has, Turkmenistan has it's oil and location near Afghanistan and that is why it got the things it did. You look at one thing and want to apply it in Armenia's case when the situations are very different. You need to change the situation that Armenia is make it more stronger before you can even apply the things you propose.
One of the reasons they will retreat maybe even to our enemies is because the Caucasus in Russian eyes is their garden they are lord and master, look what happened to Georgia for trying to join NATO, the war that came was bound to happen at one point. Ukraine is an other case of a country trying to screw with Russia and got janked very hard. Imagine their worst enemy in their back yard, it could lead to a second Cuban crisis. And you forget the Iran aspect and what it will do to our relation with them.

[Mukuch]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

So tell me when did Russia sell Armenia? Can you give me a date when Russia sold Armenia?

Certanly:

most resent: 16 March of 1921; 23 October 1921.....

Want more?

3 March 1878.... 1774...

Each and every time Armenian interestes undermined by Russia....

[Mukuch]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

And you forget the Iran aspect and what it will do to our relation with them.

Oh yes I forgot... we can have an Iranian base as well, Israely one... lot of free Uzies )))

How? Not my business.. I am not president of Armenia...

[gegev]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Erdogan presents copy of Russia-Turkey treaty to Russian President

March 16, 2011 | 18:58

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan presented Russian leader Dmitry Medvedev a copy of a treaty on friendship and fraternity between the two states and a stamp issued by Turkish authorities to mark 90 anniversary of the document.

He recalled that on March 16, 1921 Soviet Russia recognized the Republic of Turkey and gave security guarantees of the joint borders.

“The document is a turning point in our history. Our eastern borders were recognized under the Moscow agreement, “Erdogan told a press conference in Kremlin.
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Today the youth wing of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation Dashnaktsutyun and other youth organizations held a protest action in front of the Russian Embassy in Yerevan protesting against Erdogan’s visit.

The meeting was arranged by Turkey intentionally to reinforce the USSR agreement by it’s successor Russia. Russia kneeled, in public, towards his historically known enemy and US ally; Turkey (knowing that it will hurt his ally-Armenia immensely, too) to get Russian investments approved by Erdogan. Are they willing to trade some honor for money?

They could do it silently, not to harm Russian's honor much, nevertheless it was stipulated by Turkey and Russians had no choice, but to ...

Is this typical superpower behavior?

So with whom should we be allies than, if not Russia?

That doesn't mean that we should get afraid to tell Russia that their honor, as well as our's, is affected.

Right now they (Russia) has the chance to get control over the power plants being build in Turkey, on every aspect they will gain power over Turkey and start controlling a vital part of their energy sector. Can you tell me how did this hurt the Armenian-Russian relationship?

Great!. I see Karo-The-Great didn't get enything from the discussion above. Please read once again.

Nowadays Russia lacks clear orienteer in its geopolitics; it becomes more and more ambiguous, self damaging and destructive, no superior armament can replace bad/damaging politics. Today’s Russia's "politics" is: considering all its big oil/gas customers: allies. This trade politics eventually will result in trading Russia, by the same customers, for something more tangible, at the end.

Now it has few true allies and a lot of real/concealed enemies; this can't last very long. Just remember where are strong/reliable supporters of Russia; they doesn't exist and/or support them any more; because of the lack of Russians mutual devotion to them.

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

This is mare exageration... directed to create horor in Armenia... I wonder by who?

1. We have no significant natural resources
2. 80% of our borders are blockaded
3. We are landlocked
3. We have 2 neighbors many times our strength who want to wipe us off the map


Please explain how any of these facts are 'exaggerated'

Both Georgia and Azerbajan have their own problems...

All countries have problems. Georgia's and Azerbaijan's problems are due to their own stupidity (becoming hostile towards Russia, not knowing how to deal with domestic problems, etc). Armenia's problems are different because most of them have to do with our history and current geography, not the stupidity of our leaders. I'm not saying our leaders are geniuses, but its clear that most of our problems existed before our leaders were elected.

I wouldnt say that there is more political freedom in Armenia than in Georgia and levels of poverty is quite comparable in all region (Georgia Armenia Azerbajan). And I would add that in Georgia level of coruption is much lower than in Armenia, and they are in a war not with such country as Azerbajan but with mentioned by you "superpower" Russia.
I wonder how they survive?

At the current pace, Georgia will not survive. They just lost 1/4 of their country to Russians, and they have major domestic problems. They are only staying alive because they rely heavily on Turkey & Azerbaijan (is this what you want for Armenia?).

Azerbaijan has a little more leverage than Georgia and Armenia because they have OIL. You keep comparing Armenia to Azerbaijan & Turkmenistan but you don't realize they have nothing in common. When it comes to Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan, anyone can see:

1. Both countries have lots of natural resources (oil).
2. Both countries have wide open borders.
3. Both countries have access to the sea.
4. Neither country has active military threats from larger countries.

Basically, they have NONE of the major problems Armenia has. If you want to compare Armenia to any other entity, you can compare them to the Gaza Strip. They have exactly the same problems we do. I can safely say we are many years ahead of the Gaza Strip.

[Armanen]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Turkmenistan has no foreign military bases. It is Kyrgzstan which has an American and Russian military base. Waste of time to argue with political and foreign policy amateurs, made even worse with their emotional outbursts and lack of logic.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

1. We have no significant natural resources
2. 80% of our borders are blockaded
3. We are landlocked
3. We have 2 neighbors many times our strength who want to wipe us off the map


Please explain how any of these facts are 'exaggerated'

1. Armenia has many mining opportunities but they are just sold off lock, stock and barrel to foreign countries. If Armenia had no resources underneath the land, rest assure it wouldn't be there. I'm sure China has scooped up a lot just like they have done with Canadian mines. Do the people see a cent from these transactions? No, they have to pay for the final product which is produced in China. You can claim that it has no natural sources of energy (gas and oil)

2 and 3) It's not like Armenia is isolated. What can't Armenia import/export? They seem to have no shortages on the import of exotic automobiles which many people in the west can't even afford.

4. This is the only valid point since Armenia doesn't have its own defense industry and relies on powers like Russia for weaponry. So with the available iron/ore mines, the craftsmanship of Armenians, are there any efforts in reverse engineering all the imported weaponry?

[Mukuch]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Turkmenistan has no foreign military bases. It is Kyrgzstan which has an American and Russian military base. Waste of time to argue with political and foreign policy amateurs, made even worse with their emotional outbursts and lack of logic.

Are turkmenistan and kirgizistan different countries? And if yes, so how different? (From Armenian point of view


I salute MORONS without any sense of humor!!!!!

Turkmenistan: New military doctrine allows for no foreign military bases on the territory of the country
22.01.2009 14:07 msk

Ferghana.Ru news agency
President of Turkmenistan Gurbankuly Berdymuhammedov signed the new military doctrine on January 21.

The new military doctrine proclaimed non-alignment and banned establishment of foreign military bases on the territory of Turkmenistan. Neither does it stand for procurement, production, proliferation, or transit of nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction across the Turkmen borders.

Defensive in nature, the military doctrine is centered around maintenance of peace in the country, inviolability of its borders, solidarity of the people, protection of its peaceful prosperity, strengthening of the Armed Forces, improvement of the image of Tajikistan in the eyes of the international community, and advancement of friendship with neighbors.

Berdymuhammedov sacked the defense minister that same day. Web site Turkmenistan - Golden Age reported Defense Minister Mammetgeldiyev relieved of his duties with the president's thanks for service to the Motherland.

You see what independent country means?