Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Israely blockade is not a geographical asset. It will end eventually... or Gaza Strip will end... both ways OK by me

Gaza Strip will end when Israel ends

[Mukuch]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Gaza Strip will end when Israel ends

Whatever suits you Kanada jan

[Mukuch]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Vafa Guluzade: Armenian troops would reach Kura River in 1994
March 21, 2011 - 16:27 AMT 12:27 GMT
PanARMENIAN.Net - Former advisor to Azerbaijani president Heydar Aliyev Vafa Guluzade said that the Armenian troops would have occupied major part of Azerbaijan in 1994, if it were not for the West’s support of Baku.

Guluzade said in an article published by Yeni Musavat paper and placed on Caucasus-Online website that the oil factor was the decisive one in the 1994 agreement on ceasefire in Karabakh. Otherwise, the Armenian troops would have reached Kura River and Kurdamir in the central part of Azerbaijan, what would have jeopardized Azerbaijan’s existence as a state. “Only the interest of the U.S. towards Azerbaijan prevented implementation of these plans,” said Guluzade.

He believes that energy resources and transit opportunities of Azerbaijan have secured the West’s interest towards the country, what has protected the country’s independence.

“Azerbaijan’s independence would have been formal, if it were not for the American interests. Right the oil factor has secured Azerbaijan’s importance for the western states. Oil, gas and transit potential of Azerbaijan increase its role for the West and allow withstanding Russia,” Guluzade said, adding that greater integration with the West would only strengthen Baku’s international positions.

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/world/news/64772/

Which part of this was about Russia? It is just some turks bad dream.... which dosent have anything in common with real events of 1994 (wher russia by the way playd direct role of preventing any further movment of Armenian forces deep inside Azerbajan)

[KanadaHye]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Which part of this was about Russia? It is just some turks bad dream.... which dosent have anything in common with real events of 1994 (wher russia by the way playd direct role of preventing any further movment of Armenian forces deep inside Azerbajan)

Yes, Russia brokered a cease-fire if that's what you mean.

[Mukuch]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Yes, Russia brokered a cease-fire if that's what you mean.

Yes, that exctly what I mean. It is not clear yet for me how come that armenia accepted cease-fire in the situation when azeri army was destroyed (nonexistant) and there was nothing preventing armenian forces from moving towards Gyanja or even to Baku....

[londontsi]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Yes, that exctly what I mean. It is not clear yet for me how come that armenia accepted cease-fire in the situation when azeri army was destroyed (nonexistant) and there was nothing preventing armenian forces from moving towards Gyanja or even to Baku....

What would have been the justification for such a move at that point in time.

Surly when you have a war its not about proving you are stronger.
The whole point for a war beyond removing a threat is to strengthen yourself and avoid the threat reoccurring.

If as a result of a war you put yourself beyond reasonable limits politically it becomes difficult to justify.
In order to win a war you need political friends, if not at at least neutral ones.

[Mukuch]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

What would have been the justification for such a move at that point in time.

Surly when you have a war its not about proving you are stronger.
The whole point for a war beyond removing a threat is to strengthen yourself and avoid the threat reoccurring.

If as a result of a war you put yourself beyond reasonable limits politically it becomes difficult to justify.
In order to win a war you need political friends, if not at at least neutral ones.

I think there were many justificationes for such move... and in end of the day history is writen by winners.... other thing is that some one was directly told "no step further!"

I belive we were able at that point bring end to the azeri state and eliminate for ever azeri factor.... also I am not sure, I do not know well the details...

[gegev]

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Erdogan presents copy of Russia-Turkey treaty to Russian President

March 16, 2011 | 18:58

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan presented Russian leader Dmitry Medvedev a copy of a treaty on friendship and fraternity between the two states and a stamp issued by Turkish authorities to mark 90 anniversary of the document.

He recalled that on March 16, 1921 Soviet Russia recognized the Republic of Turkey and gave security guarantees of the joint borders.

“The document is a turning point in our history. Our eastern borders were recognized under the Moscow agreement, “Erdogan told a press conference in Kremlin.
...
Today the youth wing of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation Dashnaktsutyun and other youth organizations held a protest action in front of the Russian Embassy in Yerevan protesting against Erdogan’s visit.

The meeting was arranged by Turkey intentionally to reinforce the USSR agreement by it’s successor Russia. Russia kneeled, in public, towards his historically known enemy and US ally; Turkey (knowing that it will hurt his ally-Armenia immensely, too) to get Russian investments approved by Erdogan. Are they willing to trade some honor for money?

They could do it silently, not to harm Russian's honor much, nevertheless it was stipulated by Turkey and Russians had no choice, but to ...

Is this typical superpower behavior?

So with whom should we be allies than, if not Russia?

That doesn't mean that we should get afraid to tell Russia that their honor, as well as our's, is affected.

Right now they (Russia) has the chance to get control over the power plants being build in Turkey, on every aspect they will gain power over Turkey and start controlling a vital part of their energy sector. Can you tell me how did this hurt the Armenian-Russian relationship?

Great!. I see Karo-The-Great didn't get enything from the discussion above. Please read once again.

Nowadays Russia lacks clear orienteer in its geopolitics; it becomes more and more ambiguous, self damaging and destructive, no superior armament can replace bad/damaging politics. Today’s Russia's "politics" is: considering all its big oil/gas customers: allies. This trade politics eventually will result in trading Russia, by the same customers, for something more tangible, at the end.

Now it has few true allies and a lot of real/concealed enemies; this can't last very long. Just remember where are strong/reliable supporters of Russia; they doesn't exist and/or support them any more; because of the lack of Russians mutual devotion to them.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Great!. I see Karo-The-Great didn't get enything from the discussion above. Please read once again.

Russia-Turkey rapprochement cannot cast shadow on Armenia-Russia ties, RPA MP says

T
he Treaty of Moscow, which has no legal force, as it was signed between non-ex

istent Kemalist Turkey and Bolshevist Russia without Armenia’s participation has recently caught on in Turkey. However, for some reason Ankara forgets the Treaty of Sevres, Armenia-Turkey Protocols, which need to be ratified by the two states, Spokesman for Republican Party of Armenia (RPA) Eduard Sharmazanov told a press conference on March 18.

Commenting on some Armenian politicians’ statement that Russia betrayed Armenian people’s feelings, strengthening cooperation with Turkey, Sharmazanov said the Armenia-Russia relations are at such a high level that nothing may cast shadow on them.

As Armenian News-NEWS.am reported previously, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s visit to Moscow coincided with the 90th anniversary of the Treaty of Moscow, (signing a treaty Turkey and Russia in fact divided the territory of the Republic of Armenia). This fact caused discontent among Armenian political circles, who stated Russia betrayed Armenian’s people’s feelings as a strategic partner.

It seems that the people that rule the country agree with me.

[Mukuch]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

It seems that the people that rule the country agree with me.

Ofcours they do agree with you... lol... they are not much smarter than you are