Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Iran's Responsibility Ended to Armenia Here: Don't come running to us (again) if it happens again ....

So by what right do you even dare to make a comment on what we should do or not do?

[Persopolis]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

So by what right do you even dare to make a comment on what we should do or not do?

Try writing it as a comprehensible question using a quote (= something that I actually wrote & not that you made up). Thanks.




[Karo: I am not going to help you fill this thread up with nonsense -- Start Reading From the Post Above @post #276 - it seems there is delay in the system in registering posts today.]

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Iran's Responsibility Ended to Armenia Here: Don't come running to us (again) if it happens again ....
(Funny how one map debunks your post-Bolshevik propaganda ... it reminds me of an addict that can't admit he's hooked.)

Tell me what does it debunk? Can you please tell me or else cut the crap and the map is wrong it should be given away by the Soviets because Russia didn't exist anymore.

Building cities for you, relocating you to Iran when you couldn't defend against Turkic and Mongol invasions, is on par with the Armenian Genocide? Okay Karo - see what happened (in the map above) when you had your way. (Note to Self: I've really have to let Iranians know that Iran sheltering Armenians fleeing the AG is not something that seems to be taught to Armenian kids or appreciated by them.)

Those lands in the 18th century belonged to the Persian empire and it was up to them to defend those lands. So it's now our fault that the Persians couldn't defend parts of their empire. Now I want numbers about the people that fled to Iran, because the majority fled to Russian controlled Armenia, that became the independent Armenia. Show me the numbers or cut the crap.

Try writing it in comprehensible question using a quote (= something that I actually wrote & not that you made up). Thanks.

Last edited by Persopolis; Today at 10:21 PM. that is 14 mins after I made my post hahahahah .

[Persopolis]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Those lands in the 18th century belonged to the Persian empire and it was up to them to defend those lands.

Karo - Armenia went with Russia and this what happened: It's one of the reasons you've lost the trust of people in Iran. You can't blame others for your choices.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Karo - Armenia went with Russia and this what happened: It's one of the reasons you've lost the trust of people in Iran. You can't blame others for your choices.

Why aren't you responding to what I said?

relocating you to Iran when you couldn't defend against Turkic and Mongol invasions

I responded to this and you come with that piece of BS?

[Persopolis]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Why aren't you responding to what I said?

The topic is "Russia-friend or foe?" ... I am trying to keep it on topic. You want evidence that Russia is selling Armenian girls and women to other countries the way a farmer sells apples? You sure?

"Armenia is primarily a source country for women and girls trafficked to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Turkey for the purpose of commercial sexual exploitation. Armenian men and women are trafficked to Russia for the purpose of forced labor. NGOs reported that Armenian women were also trafficked to Turkey for the purpose of forced labor. Women from Ukraine and Russia are trafficked to Armenia for the purpose of forced labor. Victims trafficked to the UAE usually fly to Dubai from Yerevan or via cities in Russia; the trafficking route to Turkey is generally via bus through Georgia. A small number of Armenian girls and boys are trafficked internally for purposes of commercial sexual exploitation and forced begging."

(U.S. State Dept Trafficking in Persons Report, June, 2009.)

“ The opposition Armenian National Congress has issued a statement, referring to the recent WikiLeaks disclosure on the situation with human trafficking in Armenia. "This document gives appalling details, dwelling on the phenomenon of child molestation as well," the statement goes on saying. According to the ANC acivists, authorities are to blame for the social depreciation and extreme poverty forcing many parents to send their children abroad for prostitution.

They further note that the document was elaborated based on the studies of the US Embassy in Yerevan and an interview with Armenian Prosecutor General Aghvan Hovsepyan. The leaked cable issued by the WikiLeaks accused the prosecutor general of supporting trafficking and porn industry in Armenia. It claimed that the Armenian president and the National Assembly's failure to take urgent measures to fire Hovsepyan demonstrate that traffikcing and porn business are supported on the state level in Armenia.”

http://www.tert.am/en/news/2011/02/11/traffickinganc/

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

The topic is "Russia-friend or foe?" ... I am trying to keep it on topic. You want evidence that Russia is selling Armenian girls and women to other countries the way a farmer sells apples? You sure?

"Armenia is primarily a source country for women and girls trafficked to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Turkey for the purpose of commercial sexual exploitation. Armenian men and women are trafficked to Russia for the purpose of forced labor. NGOs reported that Armenian women were also trafficked to Turkey for the purpose of forced labor. Women from Ukraine and Russia are trafficked to Armenia for the purpose of forced labor. Victims trafficked to the UAE usually fly to Dubai from Yerevan or via cities in Russia; the trafficking route to Turkey is generally via bus through Georgia. A small number of Armenian girls and boys are trafficked internally for purposes of commercial sexual exploitation and forced begging."

(U.S. State Dept Trafficking in Persons Report, June, 2009.)

“ The opposition Armenian National Congress has issued a statement, referring to the recent WikiLeaks disclosure on the situation with human trafficking in Armenia. "This document gives appalling details, dwelling on the phenomenon of child molestation as well," the statement goes on saying. According to the ANC acivists, authorities are to blame for the social depreciation and extreme poverty forcing many parents to send their children abroad for prostitution.

They further note that the document was elaborated based on the studies of the US Embassy in Yerevan and an interview with Armenian Prosecutor General Aghvan Hovsepyan. The leaked cable issued by the WikiLeaks accused the prosecutor general of supporting trafficking and porn industry in Armenia. It claimed that the Armenian president and the National Assembly's failure to take urgent measures to fire Hovsepyan demonstrate that traffikcing and porn business are supported on the state level in Armenia.”

http://www.tert.am/en/news/2011/02/11/traffickinganc/

Can you quote me asking you for evidence? I guess not.

What sources do you present, Levon (aka the xxx) and what a diplomat thinks. What's next Azeri sources?

[Persopolis]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

What sources do you present, Levon (aka the J*w) and what a diplomat thinks.

After all of the assimilation the Russians subjected Armenia to - how can one tell what source is "Armenian" or Russian or "J*wish"?

Armenians had no trouble intermarrying with the small xxxish population during the Russian golden-years.
(“xxxish conversions to Christianity in Armenia have increased in recent years due to high rates of intermarriage.” http://www.ncsj.org/Armenia.shtml)

“The one surprising exception is a narrow majority of Armenians – 51%—approve of Armenian women marrying Russians.”

(Statistical Study:Forbidden Love: Attitudes Toward Interethnic Marriage in the South Caucasus: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...www.google.com )

As to whether Russia is friend or a foe - the topic of this thread - it's also fair to ask what role Russia's trafficking of Armenian girls and women plays: do you agree?

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

After all of the assimilation the Russians subjected Armenia to - how can one tell what source is "Armenian" or Russian or "J*wish"?

Do you even know what a source is? Because what you just posted doesn't make sense at all.

Armenians had no trouble intermarrying with the small xxxish population during the Russian golden-years.
(“xxxish conversions to Christianity in Armenia have increased in recent years due to high rates of intermarriage.” http://www.ncsj.org/Armenia.shtml)

That is the opposite of Armenian assimilation, having other people taking the Armenian identity. What is your point actually with this statement?

“The one surprising exception is a narrow majority of Armenians – 51%—approve of Armenian women marrying Russians.”

(Statistical Study:Forbidden Love: Attitudes Toward Interethnic Marriage in the South Caucasus: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...www.google.com )

I love your source some blog, wow what a source hahahahah I don't think you can come up with real sources.

As to whether Russia is friend or a foe - the topic of this thread - it's also fair to ask what role Russia's trafficking of Armenian girls and women plays: do you agree?

Russia as a state does no such thing so no it does not matter if some mobsters do that to the relation of two states and the two people.

[lampron]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

WikiLeaks accused the prosecutor general of supporting trafficking and porn industry in Armenia. It claimed that the Armenian president and the National Assembly's failure to take urgent measures to fire Hovsepyan demonstrate that traffikcing and porn business are supported on the state level in Armenia.”

http://www.tert.am/en/news/2011/02/11/traffickinganc/

it is only possible for Armenian mafia groups involved in trafficking to operate if they have support
from high levels

as to Russia - it has its own trafficking problems. I think the Armenian mafia is doing enough
harm to other Armenians without Russians (or Turks or others) having to get involved