Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Ofcours they do agree with you... lol... they are not much smarter than you are

Yeah if they weren't smart they wouldn't be in power for such a long time and wouldn't be able to have kept the peace in the country for such a long time.

[Mukuch]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Yeah if they weren't smart they wouldn't be in power for such a long time and wouldn't be able to have kept the peace in the country for such a long time.

Yes they are smart enough for holding power for a while... so does Aliev clan... and hundreds of other semi- and not semi dictatores....

Are they smart enough to create a strong , democratic , independent state? NOP NOT SMART ENOUGH....

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Yes they are smart enough for holding power for a while... so does Aliev clan... and hundreds of other semi- and not semi dictatores....

Are they smart enough to create a strong , democratic , independent state? NOP NOT SMART ENOUGH....

Armenia, for a country of it's size and situation is very strong and will get stronger, democracy is so overrated, especially the Armenian people should never be asked who will rule them because they will follow the one with the most promises. Independent, I would say Armenia is independent it proved in 2008, when it didn't join it's ally in the war but stayed neutral. Armenia's leaders today are smart enough to know how politics works and what is needed for the survival if the country. You can call them greedy, corrupt bastards but dumb xxxx no.

[Mukuch]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Armenia, for a country of it's size and situation is very strong and will get stronger, democracy is so overrated, especially the Armenian people should never be asked who will rule them because they will follow the one with the most promises. Independent, I would say Armenia is independent it proved in 2008, when it didn't join it's ally in the war but stayed neutral. Armenia's leaders today are smart enough to know how politics works and what is needed for the survival if the country. You can call them greedy, corrupt bastards but dumb xxxx no.

I understand your disappointment in political culture of Armenians... but I will remind you words of Churchill: the democracy is the worst political system but humanity hasn’t invented anything better yet... And don’t you think that being corrupt and greedy ruler in a country that dies in poverty means being dumb?

And finally: you cannot call a state independent if physical survival of it depends of other country… All military doctrine of Armenia is built on Russia… what if Russia decides to annex Armenia? What then

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

I understand your disappointment in political culture of Armenians... but I will remind you words of Churchill: the democracy is the worst political system but humanity hasn’t invented anything better yet... And don’t you think that being corrupt and greedy ruler in a country that dies in poverty means being dumb?

And finally: you cannot call a state independent if physical survival of it depends of other country… All military doctrine of Armenia is built on Russia… what if Russia decides to annex Armenia? What then

It's not only Armenia but the whole world where people like George Bush and Obama can become the most powerful man in the world, while there are so many better people able to lead the country but aren't able to because they aren't popular or don't suck up to the right people. Democracy has become rule of the mob, the one that can promise the most will get the throne, not the one that is the best for the job.

If Russia decides to annex Armenia then Iraq would have looked like child play. There are to many things stopping Russia from doing that, world opinion, the US will never accept something like that. They accept that the Caucasus is part of the influence sphere of Russia but they will never accept the annexing of Armenia, especially not after being pushed by our lobbies. In the US today there are huge anti-Russian forces trying to get more power. This will be a perfect excuse for them and Russia knows this and will play nicely.
South-Korea today also depends on the US or its survival, without US support their capital would be destroyed in two hours and after that their military because North-Korea has 50000 known artillery pieces aimed at their capital, so can you say that South-Korea isn't a independent nation?

[Mos]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Given our situation we have it pretty good. Few nations would have survived what we have survived through. Even if the relationship with Russia is "unequal" it is still absolutely necessary to keep this alliance given the geopolitics of the Caucasus.

[londontsi]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Armenia, for a country of it's size and situation is very strong and will get stronger, democracy is so overrated, especially the Armenian people...... .

This type of expression comes from despots who are not in touch with reality ( or their people).
Somehow they think they have a God given right.

We cannot see the future (most of us ).
The best we can do is glean into the past hoping to find out about something about the future.

Here is an example of somebody who did not look (or learn ) from the past.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em6921lLpD4

[Armanen]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Karo it is a waste of time to debate any persons who lack basic understanding of geopolitics and history.

[londontsi]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

.... you cannot call a state independent if physical survival of it depends of other country…

This statement does not hold water.
The whole point of a country joining an alliance (NATO etc ) is just that.
Your statement can be applied to many countries without the conclusion you are suggesting.
e.g.
West Germany (as it was then).
Japan
Saudi Arabia
South Korea
Taiwan
Israel
etc

All military doctrine of Armenia is built on Russia…

Armenia had to judge how and from where her security would be best served.
Not surprisingly it was Russia.

Trying to make security arrangements with “other” parties also
would make things hopelessly confusing where to look in case of danger.

what if Russia decides to annex Armenia? What then

Russia cannot annex Armenia without the cooperation of the Armenian government and/or section of its population.
Naturally such an action would be treachery.

[Armanen]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

In the post-imperial stage, or rather neo-imperialism, an empire does not physically control another nation but rather via economic and/or political means.

In Armenia's case, Russia has clear interests in maintaining an Armenian presence in the Caucasus to act as a buffer against pan-turanism, the West, zionism, and even Iran. What Armenian leaders and the Armenian diaspora in Russia should do is continue to encourage official Moscow to treat Armenia as a strategic ally and provide it with weapons and economic investment.