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Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

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  • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

    Originally posted by Tigranakert View Post
    It's largely out of irritation I still continue these worthless discussions and of the extreme inaccuracies people believe in.



    This just shows your political immaturity, how can I even have a serious discussion if you think Turkey and Russia are historically strategic allies? Stop your lies to prove your "arguments".

    You know why Armenia is what it is today, because of Armenians like you. The thing is, I believe you have good intentions for Armenia, and are more "nationalistic" and committed to help your country than average people. The problem lies in the way you do it.

    We should take it one step further. You have to understand, this is not kissing their "ass", as you probably do with every other Western country, but playing the game smart. We have to "infiltrate", be organized to influence their politics. What don't you understand of this?

    It's a common fact that it's fare more effective to infiltrate whatever political system there is, and try to influence their politics from the within, than to go against them which will achieve nothing. We will lose our lifeline and never, ever will a European or Western country willing to protect our borders with Turkey, nor willing to arm us with billions of dollars of weapons, nor will we have the chance as we do in Russia today to seriously influence the foreign policy of the country. Don't you understand this? It's plain simple.

    And yes, Russia wants the best for country, and it is up to us to convince her that Armenia is strategically important for the well being of the Russian Federation. Let's cut the crap, the day we distantiate ourselves from Russia, it's game over. Who will deliver us nuclear fuel? Without them, we have no energy. Who will deliver us weapons? Without them, we have no army. Who will protect us from the Turks? Without them, the world will allow Turkey, Azerbaijan and Georgia to eliminate us. Who will invest billions of dollars in our economy? They can just say, hey, all those millions of Armenian guest workers, get the xxxx out of our country, and Armenia won't have the billions of dollars of income they have now, from the Russian-Armenian community.



    That's not a fact. The fact is, that power is everything that counts. A fact is, that Artsakh, not even recognized, is Armenian land, and will remain ours. A fact is, that North-Cyprus is under Turkish control. And a "fact" for us is, that we still have not recognized Eastern-Turkey, in our constitution it is Western-Armenia, but who cares for some papers? It's our might that will determine our future.



    Even though you do not wish to see it, Russia and Armenia are strategic allies, with or without your stupid "pipeline" argument. Again, don't mix up the Bolsheviks with the Russians. It was not the Russian Federation who signed the document, but the Bolsheviks, whose majority, especially in 1921, were not even ethnic Russians. So stop with your lies.

    What the **** do you think Armenia is, to determine what a president should accept or not? Do you think the Russian president cares for some emotional Armenians, to say to a president of another country, Turkey, I don't want your "gift". Ofcourse not, this is politics, not a childs game. Russia also doesn't give a **** about the stupid treaty, they just want their plans to be fulfilled in Turkey. Hell, America is to "afraid" to recognize the Armenian genocide for decades, whereas the Russian presidents have visited Tsitsernakarbert numerous times. Ofcourse, forget that, you Russophobe.

    Haha, your last argument, I mean, how much fantasy does one have? There are more Turks in Europe than Armenians, so? There are 3-4 million Turks in Germany, so? There are more Turks in Turkey and Azerbaijan, who gives a xxxx? You think the j-ews were saying, ah, there is no chance for us to succeed, we are too small in number. OFCOURSE NOT, THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN, THEY USED THEIR INTELLIGENCE TO OUTPERFORM the others. I can not believe you just said this. I am proud of the Armenians living in Russia, who, even though their small numbers, outperformed most of the other ethnic groups in terms of number of businessman, professors, artists and politicians. What you said is destructive and basically means you are giving up your hope.

    And at last, the Tatars in Russia are not as Turks in Turkey, I know a lot of them and heck, most of them hate Turks. There are Azeris, but what do we care, we beat them in Artsakh too even though they were in larger numbers.

    It is amazing how many Armenians are in high-ranking positions in the Russian Federation.

    Anyways, your next post will probably be something irrelevant too, not once have you (or gegev) tried to argue with the points I made. You just shout and rant and make comments which are based on lies or generalizations.

    We must take full advantage of our situation, not break things down.

    Long live the Armenian people, and long live the Armenian-Russian strategic alliance.

    Wow... with ilustrationes.... why dont you put more resent one of Vanya with Erdogan? ))


    Yes that what you wish to see... and that’s what Ivans want you to think.....
    The truth is Russia is no one’s ally ... it is not even ally for Russians.... )))) Russia is an unpredictable Shovenistic empire.. And most of the times the foreign policy depends on quantity of vodka consumed ))))

    About "infiltrating" and "nfluencing" who holds their hand? But I think russian ( or "new russian" ) armenians are much more busy influecing and infiltrating russian state for their own needs rather than doing any thing usefull for armenia.
    Last edited by Mukuch; 03-20-2011, 03:07 PM.

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    • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

      Originally posted by Mukuch View Post
      Wow... with ilustrationes.... why dont you put more resent one of Vanya with Erdogan? ))


      Yes that what you wish to see... and that’s what Ivans want you to think.....
      The truth is Russia is no one’s ally ... it is not even ally for Russians.... )))) Russia is an unpredictable Shovenistic empire.. And most of the times the foreign policy depends on quantity of vodka consumed ))))
      Real awesome input, you get a post filled with substance and you respond with what? Nothing

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      • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

        Originally posted by Mos View Post
        We already have strategic relations with Russia. Our security is guaranteed by them, their military base is in our country, and they protect our borders with Turkey and Iran. They have been the biggest deterrent in not allowing Turkey to just come and invade and annex our lands. This meeting is just symbolic and highlights economic relations between Russia and Turkey. As I said, their strategic leanings are different. When it comes to Armenia, strategically the most logical choice is Russia and historically they have helped us like it or not, why you want to join Turkish NATO?
        I do not want to join anything... also I live in a NATO member state. And I do not think NATO is turkish althoug turkey is playing an active role in it. You can also call it Greek NATO as well Russia protects our borders becaus concideres Armenia as a province of russia (what actualy it is) that gives some advantage to our weak state (governament) but dosent make me happy at all...

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        • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

          Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
          Real awesome input, you get a post filled with substance and you respond with what? Nothing
          All depends what you concider substance.... for me the post of tigranak was empty... or maybe the photo of Serjik Sarkisyan with Vanya was "the substance" I have missed ? ... such a raritet indid...lol
          In my answer there was at list MY opinion not copy pasted from any russian propaganda site...

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          • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

            Originally posted by mukuch
            Russia protects our borders becaus concideres Armenia as a province of russia (what actualy it is) that gives some advantage to our weak state (governament) but dosent make me happy at all...
            You just gave us another clue that your political outlook is based on feelings and emotions. The "some" advantage you mentioned is nothing less than the physical security of Armenia which would not exist without our partnership with Russia. Reality is cold, so instead of complaining about the weather, just wear a damn jacket.

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            • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

              Originally posted by Armanen View Post
              Tigranakert, you know too well about the trolls here and how it is best not to get in too deep with them on most (all?) discussions.
              Yes I am a troll. Eat me

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              • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

                Originally posted by ArmSurvival View Post
                You just gave us another clue that your political outlook is based on feelings and emotions. The "some" advantage you mentioned is nothing less than the physical security of Armenia which would not exist without our partnership with Russia. Reality is cold, so instead of complaining about the weather, just wear a damn jacket.
                The state (governament) that not able take care of its own people phsical security and depends on therd parties is doomed....

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                • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

                  Do you realize that Armenia is landlocked, 80% of its borders are blockaded, we have no resources at all and we have 2 neighbors 50X our strength who want to wipe us off the map? Theres only 1 other entity in the world with these problems: The Gaza Strip. Without Russia, Armenia would just be another Gaza Strip, assuming we don't immediately get wiped off the map. Its really that simple.

                  But despite this horrible situation, we have less poverty and more political freedoms than Georgia and Azerbaijan (who have none of our problems) and our situation is slowly improving year-by-year.

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                  • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

                    Originally posted by ArmSurvival View Post
                    Do you realize that Armenia is landlocked, 80% of its borders are blockaded, we have no resources at all and we have 2 neighbors 50X our strength who want to wipe us off the map? Theres only 1 other entity in the world with these problems: The Gaza Strip. Without Russia, Armenia would just be another Gaza Strip, assuming we don't immediately get wiped off the map. Its really that simple.

                    But despite this horrible situation, we have less poverty and more political freedoms than Georgia and Azerbaijan (who have none of our problems) and our situation is slowly improving year-by-year.
                    This is why we need to step up on our efforts on the media wars. People still have no clue Armenia exists.
                    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                    • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

                      Originally posted by gegev View Post
                      Russia now owns more than 51% of Armenia assets, Russians control our economy and therefore are responsible for its disastrous condition as well.

                      In case of Turkey your statement is incorrect, because it is a huge country and USA-EU investments are dominating there. Russian investments (pipelines etc.) are not that huge (believe me, Russia is not a rich country), they are not economically that strong to control Turkey’s economy, but the opposite statement that Turkey can threaten Russian investments made there, because of some political considerations (relating to Armenia etc ...), is obvious.
                      Well said gegev.

                      On the side not it is known that Russia cannot continue to supply Eastern Europe in near future (due to demands) with current infrastructure and even with its recent plans. This is why I support Iran's attempts (which looks to be working) in taking a bigger role in energy transit through Turkey instead of the West. This also devides the Russian monopoly on Turkey in the hands of another ally. Anyway, just an opinion.

                      Also many people here seem to underestimate Armenia's strategic position that we hold and how much we can use it to our advantage while increasing odds by balancing the friendly powers in the region and having them bet on Armenia.
                      B0zkurt Hunter

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